On a local Denver news broadcast last night, they interviewed a civil engineer from Denver who worked on the construction of the WTC for seven years. He said the reason the buildings collapsed was because the heat from all that burning jet fuel melted the steel structure. As another poster here commented, the engineer said that steel can't withstand those types of temperatures.
jukief
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Planes just a diversion... Ambulances had bombs.
by biblexaminer ini feel pretty sure about this, that the planes were just a diversion set to allow emergency vehicles easy access to the basement parking lot.
eye witnesses placed a large explosion just before the south building came down.
one thing is sure, the buildings did not come down as a result of the planes hitting them or any explosions due to that.
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Religious Fanatacism
by drahcir yarrum inif there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.
the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.
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jukief
I view my brother as a radical, fundamentalist JW. His behavior is extreme, even my JW inlaws think he's out of line to be shunning my sister and me, who merely "fell away" and became inactive. But, at the same time, he's an elder. And he can find support, at least in his way of thinking, in the Bible and the WT publications. Nobody has rebuked him for his actions; on the contrary, he's being groomed for the circuit work. Now do most JWs act the way he does? No, I don't think so. But he is still a JW, isn't he?
And the fact is that fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist Muslims are still Muslims. Even though most mainstream Muslims probably don't agree with today's actions and find it abhorant, it is still a faction of their religion that perpetrates many such terrorist acts (although nobody can say that Muslims are responsbile for today's acts). And yes, I *do* know many Muslims personally. When I was at university, I had lots of Muslim acquaintances who were international students from the Middle East. Although I strongly disagree with how Muslims treat women (and I received many lectures from Muslim men about how disgusting it was that I had bare arms and what a whore I was because of it--all this in a lab in a US university), I know that many Muslims are nice, kind people. But I also think that the Muslims who have come to the US to live are far different in their views from many of the radical people who live in the Middle East, who are surrounded daily by hatred and violence. When my kids were growing up, because we lived very close to university housing, they had friends from all over the world, from all religous persuasions. One of my older son's friends was Israeli and he came over to visit many times. I was horrified when I heard him spouting his hateful retoric against Palestinians. I challenged him on it, and he said the Muslims hated him just as much as he hated them. He was ready, at 10 years old, to kill Muslims, and he assured me they were just as ready to kill him. Unfortunately, these feelings are taught from childhood. And the Israelis are no better than the Palestinians.
When one faction of a group does reprehensible things it reflects on the rest of the group. It's unfortunate, but true. It's the same way with American politics. I think countries in the Middle East and in the rest of the world have good reason to hate the United States. I disagree with our international policies, but I'm still an American and I'm going to regarded as an "ugly American" by many people as a result.
None of it is very pretty.
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Religious Fanatacism
by drahcir yarrum inif there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.
the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.
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jukief
I just want to add something else. The religion of Islam, esepecially itsradical elements, is known for violence and the resolve to kill all those who don't serve Allah. Sure, there are many conservative Muslims who don't behave or feel that way, but the religion encourages that type of thinking. I've often thought that if my family were Muslin instead of JWs, my brother, who's a fanatic, hardliner JW and who has shunned me for 10 years despite the fact that I'm not DFed or DAed, would be trying to kill me now, not just shun me. Look at what extremist Muslims have done in Afghanistan. Sure, you can't say that all Muslims are this extreme, but the fact that people are in the streets celebrating this tragedy says a lot about the Muslim religion, and Palentinians in particular. I've never seen groups from other countries or religions out celebrating when tragedies happen to Muslims or Jews or any other group, have you?
Of course, JWs would be out celebrating in the streets after Armageddon decimated 99% of mankind if their ridiculous beliefs were true.
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Religious Fanatacism
by drahcir yarrum inif there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.
the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.
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jukief
I'm not saying Muslims did this. I'm saying that the news showed Palestinians shouting in the street, handing out candy, for Christ's sake. You can't deny that.
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Welcome to the Great Tribulation, Folks!
by chipster inas i was in the dentists chair this morning, i got the news and my heart just sank.
i think of all those poor people and their grieving families, and my heart goes out to them.. well, you know, i have to say this: ....my money is on you.. i think you nailed it this time.... what is the verse about them "growing faint out of fear"???.
all i can say is..stay tuned.....you guys ain't seen nothing yet..... the fun begins when the terrorists are identified and recompense is sought by the united states.. oh, and not to mention the ramifications in the global markets..... yep, like i said folks...."welcome to the gt.....and the finale is the big a"... this is a day that will go down in world history.. chipster
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jukief
Hi Jim.
It just makes me sick to think that JWs might be rejoicing at this news, thinking the great tribulation has become. But just think of it. The horror of this attack is nothing--absolutely nothing--compared to what they think will happen at Armageddon. Imagine something like this happening worldwide, in every city and village. That's what JWs hope and pray for. It's depraved.
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ATTENDENCE AT KINGDOM HALLS SET TO RISE
by radar inyes folks.
twin towers hit!!!.
prelude to armaggeddon?.
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jukief
Just like the dubs. Thinking only about their own, and not a thought to all those lousy wordly people who got killed or hurt. It makes me want to puke.
How many JWs do you think will line up to donate blood?
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Welcome to the Great Tribulation, Folks!
by chipster inas i was in the dentists chair this morning, i got the news and my heart just sank.
i think of all those poor people and their grieving families, and my heart goes out to them.. well, you know, i have to say this: ....my money is on you.. i think you nailed it this time.... what is the verse about them "growing faint out of fear"???.
all i can say is..stay tuned.....you guys ain't seen nothing yet..... the fun begins when the terrorists are identified and recompense is sought by the united states.. oh, and not to mention the ramifications in the global markets..... yep, like i said folks...."welcome to the gt.....and the finale is the big a"... this is a day that will go down in world history.. chipster
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jukief
I bet those folks who lived in Europe during the 14th century thought the great tribulation was upon them. After all, as much as a third of Europe died from the bubonic plauge, crime was so rampant that people couldn't travel from one village to the next without armed guards, and famine killed thousands and thousands of people. It's all relative, Chipster.
Funny how people don't think the great tribulation has come when thousands of Rwandans are massacred or women in Afghanistan are hung in the soccer field.
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Religious Fanatacism
by drahcir yarrum inif there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.
the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.
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jukief
Well, Fodeja, even if the Muslims aren't responsible, I've just seen newsclips of Palestinians celebrating in the streets after hearing the news. I've had a great deal of sympathy for the Palenstinaians in the past, but it just ended. Anybody who could rejoice at such tragedy is just plain sick. I'm sure US citizens don't celebrate when Palestinians or Israelis get killed in terroist attacks.
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Interesting news about Nicholai Soltys
by jukief infor those of you who live outside the us, you might not have heard about this news story.
this soltys guy, a ukranian immigrant, killed six family members a couple of weeks ago and was just arrested about an hour ago.
i'm listening to the news right now and there's an interesting tie-in to religion.
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jukief
For those of you who live outside the US, you might not have heard about this news story. This Soltys guy, a Ukranian immigrant, killed six family members a couple of weeks ago and was just arrested about an hour ago. I'm listening to the news right now and there's an interesting tie-in to religion. This guy lived in Sacramento, California, which has the largest group of Ukranian evangelical Christians in the US. Why? Because this particular church has been transmitting radio sermons to Russia, and when the Soviet Union fell, about 100,000 Ukranians who had taken up this particular religion as a result immigrated to Sacramento. Seems the dubs could learn a lesson from this, huh? They should go back to the old WBBR days; at least, anything would work better than house to house.
Another interesting piece of the story: They said on the news that they think part of the reason this guy went postal and killed his family was because the church in Sacramento wouldn't let him join. Apparently, he'd been guilty of physically abusing his wife and had a criminal background, and they didn't want him. So church members and his wife and family pushed him away because he wasn't part of the church. They think that's why he got enranged and killed everyone.
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risk taking
by joelbear inwell, i'm getting closer and closer to turning my life upside down and breaking away from my 43 years of conservative living.
any risk experiences out there?.
the risk i want to take is leaving banking, living a much more bohemiam life, maybe work as a waiter or bartender or something, go to school, travel, work on my furniture art, write, read, live.. aaaack.
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jukief
Hi joelbear.
We took a risk a few years ago by accepting overseas jobs. Alan was a bit reluctant, but I desperately wanted to go. Even though it didn't last the five years we intended, it was the best thing we ever did. We got to live in Europe for 15 months, during which time we did as much traveling as we possibly could and made some wonderful friends. It was a very enriching experience.
If I didn't have children to get through college right now, I'd be on Alan's case to move back to Europe. I hope we'll get to some day.
Another risk I took about seven years ago was to decide to sell my house and move from Colorado to Oregon to be with Alan, whom at that point I'd never met in person. :-)
I say, go for it! Life's too short not to do the things you long to do. As Joseph Campbell said, find your bliss.
Julie F
PS If you decide to be a drag queen, I want to know where you're performing! :-)