Posts by Julie

LOL Ain't it the truth. Seems we certainly discovered some serious common ground there, we were both young, poor and had less than perfect circumstances re: deliveries. I guess that is how friendships do actually begin, finding some common ground.

Now that there are nuns in the picture, well, I guess there is no telling where it might go!!

Regards,
Julie, who is glad to have former adversaries become friends but doubts she could ever even *pretend* to be in love with Amazing

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My Committment to JWD

by Amazing in

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i debated the wisdom of making this post.

i have made every effort to make it as neutral as possible to avoid personally offending anyone.

i may be losing my marbles here, but i feel that this needs to be said.

Julie

Morning Waiting,

:I believe Amazing was making the point by saying IF.....then he was fine with discussion on the open forum. However, IF the other person wasn't fine with that, THEN he would be glad to use e-mail for discussion.

You know, I would be inclined to believe this if it weren't for a couple of things.

:Here are the rules:

Amazing now makes the rules. Didn't you know that?

:3. From here on out, if someone is not comfortable discussing with me on the public forum my behavior, then by all means, feel free to privately email me at [email protected] I will keep any such discussions confidential.

I don't know about you Waiting but to me, this post/thread Amazing started is pretty much to/about me and what I have said to him. Did you ever get the impression I was not comfortable discusssing things publicly with him? To me this looks like an invitation to keep my rely private while he can publicly post as he pleases.

:5. I ask the same treatment toward me in return. If I am puzzled by something said to me or about me, I will follow the above - respectfully.

Again, since the obvious reason for this thread was to address me and my words, why didn't he follow his own advice here and e-mail me?? My mail is and always has been open. This is rather puzzling, or rather, contradictory.

:Email me off board.

Here's the clincher. No qualifiers, no "if you feel this or that...", simple "e-mail me off board". What does that say to you Waiting? It says to me, do not bother to address/rebut me publicly, "e-mail me off board" is what is says. Unconditionally.

In closing sorry to hear you were stuck with such unpleasant nuns for teachers. I was very fortunate to have really nice ones. I feel for you though, mean nuns and crappy ob/gyns, you've had some bad breaks.

Regards,
Julie

(Edited to add: I am getting a kick out the comments re: where does "no comment" translate into cowardice? LOL My question is when has Amazing *ever* said "No Comment"?????????)

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My Committment to JWD

by Amazing in

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i debated the wisdom of making this post.

i have made every effort to make it as neutral as possible to avoid personally offending anyone.

i may be losing my marbles here, but i feel that this needs to be said.

Julie

Hi Amazing,

Excuse me here but *you* dragged my name and my words out into this thread. I will take issue with you whenever you do it and I will do it publicly. You call me out publicly and then DEMAND private replies? Um, no, I don't think so. If you have something Private to say to me, then by all means, e-mail me and I will reply privately as well.

You said:
Here are the rules:

Um, did you forget you are no longer the BMOC at the KH or what? What makes you think *you* make the rules? You call me on my words publicly and then announce "rules" that you are to be addressed with rebuttals etc. privately? Sorry, homie don't play that.

You also said:
3. From here on out, if someone is not comfortable discussing with me on the public forum my behavior, then by all means, feel free to privately email me at [email protected] I will keep any such discussions confidential.

Well I have no problem publicly responding to your public calling-outs of me. Did I give you the impression I was uncomfortable doing so? Then you are much mistaken.

You said:
5. I ask the same treatment toward me in return. If I am puzzled by something said to me or about me, I will follow the above - respectfully.

Well the then do so. Why did you post this publicly if you feel this way? It is clear it is I you take issue with, why bring it to the board instead of e-mailing me? My mail is open, always is.

Then you said:
Email me off board.

So just to make sure that this simple, dumb ol' girl has it straight, according to *your* rules, you can take issue with anyone you please, for as long as you please, publicly, but if they wish to reply it MUST be via-email? LOL You must be joking.

Here are my *suggested* rules for YOU Amazing:

1. You bring something out in public it will be addressed publicly.

2. You want to discuss something privately e-mail me and I will reply privately.

There you are, just two rules and I think they are pretty fair.

Like I said before Amazing, the ball in in *your* court, I didn't say the scepter is in you hand. If you want peace then quit dragging my name and others you are still so angry at around the board and this sort of crap will stop. Your call. At this moment it is *you* who perpetuates it.

Julie

P.S. One more thing, you said: "I knew you couldn't resist." Oh you *knew* this did you??? You were actually inside our minds and knew, for a fact, that we would reply to your still dragging our names into every possible opportunity? I wonder where all those people who were so full of chastisement for me claiming to know what you were really saying are. Funny how it's ok for you to "read minds" but not others.....hmmmm.....something to this.....smacks of double standard to me.........(or baiting *aka "trolling"*, you're not trying to bait us are you Amazing???? )

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

(Edited to add: Nice edit job Amazing, in the short time it took me to write my post you went in and did some major changes--as in constructing yourself a back-door to run out of. Oh you big brave man you!!)

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My Committment to JWD

by Amazing in

jw
friends

i debated the wisdom of making this post.

i have made every effort to make it as neutral as possible to avoid personally offending anyone.

i may be losing my marbles here, but i feel that this needs to be said.

Julie

Hi Amazing,

I saw your post about me--but of course "not" about me....;-) Anyhoo, I threw a small collection of things together, mind you a very small sampling of the volumes to select from, I don't want to make a big project of it or anything cause it isn't that important to me.

Couple items first. I only yesterday saw your post Amnesian's Legacy, you wrote it while I was away I would like to commend you for finally posting a rebuttal, had I seen it sooner I'd have commended you sooner. With that said, and certainly without intention of a detailed discussion of said post (as you Once Again claim at the end of *this* post you want to move on), I really must make comment on a particular reference you made about me (which you are doing so often lately--do you have a crush on me? :

:Julie wrote a thoughtful post that made me change direction. (Had Julie maintained that style of balance, I would more likely have been persuaded to stick with it.)

Excuse me if I find this statement particularly amusing coming from one who so proudly declares to be a Conservative Republican, the ones who INSIST on everyone taking personal responsibility for their Own Actions/Circumstances. Is it just me Amazing or does this statement basically blame me for the actions you took subsequent to Amnesian's rebuttal? I find that very sad.

You recently made this statement to Sexy teen:

:There is no JC here anyway ... well ... except the Triune Club of ... mmmm ... I had better not say, or I might be back in the Hot Seat with them. But their initials are Julie, Tina, and Amnesian - The Awesome Judges of Your State of Mind.

I couldn't help but notice, after reading the above and addressing it, coming across several statements of yours in the newly discovered (by me) rebuttal to Amensian and a couple other sundry places that came to mind off the top of my head. You read the words and formed your own judgements, claiming to know intent. Here are a few samples, just from that post of yours to Amensian, correct me if I am wrong, by all means.

:PART TWO: PERSONALITY AND CHARACTER ISSUES – THE REAL AGENDA

Ah, the "real agenda". You are privy to Amensian's thoughts to know her real agenda? Or did your reading comprehension skills and reasoning lead you to believe you had a pretty good idea of her real agenda?

:Reading Amnesian’s posts does reveal that she is after my character, or at least my character is the stepping stone for her bully pulpit against the JW system and its Elders as a Collective.

"Does reveal"??? You seem to feel sure enough about this to state it as fact. You were in her head and verified this??

:Somehow, this was translated to involve me too. Julie then deliberates that a large number of women on the board have the same negative feelings toward me, and they needed someone to speak out for them. That “Spokesperson” , judging this prima-facie given the sequence of events, appears to have been Amnesian, in Julie’s eyes.

I never said there were people who felt they needed someone to speak for them, I stated that there were obviously some deep seeded feelings toward you , judging by some of the passionate reactions to some of what Amnesian said. I know I personally found your tone rather offensive at times and must admit to thinking maybe it was time someone of the "fairer sex" did call you out. I knew I would certainly not have the patience to do it nor, really, the inclination. You twist my words here and that doesn't really seem very honest. You obviously exaggerated what I said in your mind.

:After a long diatribe review of who said what to whom, and with all her creative writing skills now put to the test to embrace the reader at how she can dangle and tie phrases, and negotiate through many language hoops and loops, she starts to really engage us with her real agenda

Not only do you somehow have the powers to know her "real agenda" you seem to display an almost writing-ability-envy. Of course you are taking what you read, comprehending it, reasoning it and coming up with your view of it, isn't that right Amazing?

:Her writing, though creative, betrays her view of this forum and its participants.

Is this you making a judgement call based on what someone actually wrote?? My goodness that is so horrible! Only someone wretched like Julie or some other member of "The Triune Club" (why still trying to villianize us Amazing?) would do such a thing!

All these examples of you "knowing" someone's mind from what they wrote. Just from one post Amazing. Do you see anything that reminds you of Practice What You Preach?

Yes I made statements about you. I included your words to demonstrate where my reasoning was coming from and then my comments. It seems to me this is what you have done repeatedly throughout this one post. This doesn't even include all of them from one post.

Now Amazing, I am going to toss the ball into your court. If you really meant (as you said in your Amnesian's Legacy post):

:You stated your case, and I stated mine [in my final installment Amnesian - The Legacy]. Those reading both sides have stated what they think. Some agree one way or the other, and some see both sides. There are other more interesting things to talk about. So, why don't we just let it go? It has been an interesting exercise. I grant you that you state things well. Good for you! I am moving on from this topic.

then let's just move on. Let's not drag it about, dropping the names of those you are still so angry at at every opportunity. If you are moving on, if you think nothing more productive can possible result in disucussing the whole debacle further, well then Hell is Freezing Over cause you and I (and probably the whole board membership) are in agreement!!

If you need to get a rant or two our of your system then by all means have at it man, just quit with dribs and drabs of confrontation about it all. Let's just get it over and move on, or, if there is nothing to get over anymore, let's just do the move on part.

The choice is yours.

Julie, who promises to be as civil and rational as possible if and/or*when* ever disagreeing with Amazing again but plans to mostly avoid him

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Weed

by rollercoaster in

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i have been out of the org., for over a year now.

i raised my child in the org., and she is now 14. i started smoking pot a month ago, and my daughter found out.

of course she was taught that this is sooo bad.

Julie

:A pot-head mother is not something most children would be proud of,

"A pot-head mother"???? She smokes some natural herb to help her sleep and she's a "pot-head"? Let's not get extremist. We're not talking "Half-Baked" here. It is true that it would be better to be able to sleep naturally and the cause for this problem should be discovered and cured. In the mean time, do you think she should instead go to the Dr. and get a script of a synthetic and likely addictive alternative? That is still a dependency on a drug but since it has contributed to the massive pharmacuetical fortunes it is "medicine".

You may or not be aware that in "the olden days" when a Dr. needed to provide medicine for his patients he headed outside and used what nature provided.

:and it does send out mixed messages to a young person at a very impressionable age. Justifying your behavior will only make her do the same and you will be a hypocrite in her eyes.

This is an important point. I do smoke pot sometimes but my children do not know (but I do not drink, just not really my thing). I have talked to them about pot, my views regarding it etc. If and when they find out it will be no great shock to them as they know my views. I do not consider myself to be a "pot-head mother" or anyone for my children to be ashamed of and I am not sending them the message that it is "ok" to do it. I can tell you that using marijuana madicinally is far less incapacitating than the meds Drs. prescribe or alcohol and can be equally or more effective in achieving the desired results. This is what I have told them, but they are also aware that it is illegal. They are also aware of *why* it is illegal and that I disagree with it being illegal. Open honest dialog is very important with your kids on all topics, with their age and ability to understand taken into consideration of course.

Consistency is the key though, it is true you do not want to be hypocritical in your kids' eyes. If Rollercoaster formally talked about marijuana negatively then obviously her situation will be more challenging, if she indeed decides to continue with her chosen method of self-medication. Not impossible by any means though if enough thought and effort is put into it.

Regards,
Julie

13

Weed

by rollercoaster in

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friends

i have been out of the org., for over a year now.

i raised my child in the org., and she is now 14. i started smoking pot a month ago, and my daughter found out.

of course she was taught that this is sooo bad.

Julie

Hi Rollercoaster,

Like any drug there is good and bad. When used medicinally pot can be a very good thing. You need to have a very honest talk with your daughter. Explain the differences between smoking pot and going to class or doing so in order to sleep. It truly is less harmful in many ways when used as a sleep aid in comparison to prescription drugs.

I have talked to my daughter (13) about pot very honestly and about alcohol and the differences. Get some facts on both. You will find out that this nation spends substantially more on alcohol related health problems/tragedies than those of all drugs combined. Of course the alcohol lobby would rather this sort of info not be too widely publicized.

There is a great deal of info out there. I helped my sister in law write her term paper on the medicinal qualities of pot and this argument has raged for years. Ilearned so much in going through her research, much of which ws found on-line. Go on-line and find some facts to present her with. Yes, for the young developing mind all drugs are bad, drug habits are bad (the kind where you *need* it to feel "normal") but pot is a medicine of sorts and should be viewed as such.

If you are a family of believers it would help to point out who made pot (God) and who made the synthetics (man). Who do you trust more??

Honesty is the best policy, I would be as straighforward and honest as possible but be prepared with facts when you approach this discussion.

Best wishes on healing this breech-
Julie

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Top 8 Idiots of 2001

by Tatiana in

top 8 idiots of 2001. idiot # 1. i am a medical student currently doing a rotation in toxicology at the.

poison control center.

today, this woman called in very upset because she caught her little daughter eating ants.

Julie

Hilarious, loved them all. I was especially fond of #4 as it sounded like something I would have done back in the days when I drove the kind of cars where you actually *get* speeding tickets, and I was just the gal to drive them.

Thanks for the funny post--
Julie

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Please form a judicial committee...

by SexyTeen in

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seeing that most of those on this forum love to judge others (although the complaint is that jws do the same thing), i am willing to go through a judicial committee.. if you see fit not to forgive, please disfellowship me and shun me.

Julie

Hi Amazing,

Still smarting eh? Well I can believe that. I mean to have so much exposed for all the world....well anyway.....

:You said:Why? Isn't the JW system enough? Why would you want more? There is no JC here anyway ... well ... except the Triune Club of ... mmmm ... I had better not say, or I might be back in the Hot Seat with them. But their initials are Julie, Tina, and Amnesian - The Awesome Judges of Your State of Mind.

I can only speak for myself here but I do not claim to be an awesome judge of a state of mind but believe me those nuns masde sure I had reading comprehension skills. Easy to comprehend cowardly avoidance of addressing someone when called out. I also recognized inflammatory statements and words used to manipulate the emotions. You cleverly used all of the above, to little avail.

:If you followed the saga between me and the Triune Club, I did the same thing ... I took ten days away. Came back and reviewed everything. I made one detailed response to Amnesian because I felt that she at least tried to make some argements. I made several responses to Julie after I returned, but they did not go where I had hoped they would, so I stopped. With Tina, I haven't invested anymore time because I am not sure yet what I should or could do. As for the rest of the negative comments in the saga ... and there were many, I let them ride, and discovered that it was not necessary.

LOL, nice try Amazing. You "let them ride" did you? Or did someone come in ona white horse to your rescue? Tell me Amazing, now that all is well again in Amazing-land have you written your noble defender to see how things are going with her these days? I recommend you do, you may find something to think about regarding your choice to let others fight your battles so selfishly. Shameful. Write her before you reply to me on this, or else you will know not of which you speak (not that that has ever stopped you before).

As to dragging mine, Tina's and Amnesian's names around the board, aren't you busy with yet another series about you and all your greatness right now? I suggest you stick to what you know.

Absolutely no regard,
Julie

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Please form a judicial committee...

by SexyTeen in

jw
friends

seeing that most of those on this forum love to judge others (although the complaint is that jws do the same thing), i am willing to go through a judicial committee.. if you see fit not to forgive, please disfellowship me and shun me.

Julie

Sexyteen,

I knew when I first saw your name you were someone who knew this board well enough to know that the emotional IQ of many here would make such a name an Instant Hit. I never bothered to even read your posts. I did catch the thread where you thanked Simon "for nothing" when he exposed you share an IP with other personas.

I can assure you Alan is no pervert. He gave me his number but said he'd rather pick up the charges for the call. I've been reading his thoughts for years, know his wife loves him passionately and he loves her the same so I went ahead and took the chance of giving him my number.

I have had the honor of talking to Alan several times and he is delightful company. I hope I can someday meet he and his lovely wife in person, I am sure they, myself and my husband could have great fun.

Just a few FYIs for you--
Julie, who thinks Stacy/Stacie/YoYo/Sexyteen's only mistake is thinking us ALL fools