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I'm a bad American

by Bendrr in

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i picked up this essay on another site and wanted to share it with y'all.

not sure of the original writer, so i'll credit www.thebigshow.com for posting it.. ---.

i'm a bad american.

Julie

Greetings to all,

What a thread this turned out to be! Woooweee!!

Glad I warmed a few hearts by agreeing with bigboi on something. I mean the guy actually said something right so it's not like I had a choice or anything.

I found it very interesting that when I agreed with bigboi I got:

:Good for you Julie.

Yet when I agree with Seeker I got:

:What do you want Seeker unqualified acceptance like you get from your 'groupies'?

We could see this a variety of different ways. Bigboi is black, Seeker is white. Is that it? Bigboi's view seems to go better with Dannybear's view than Seeker's so that could be it. I paid compliments to my old friend Seeker that I didn't to bigboi, but I doubt it is that. Ah well, doesnt' matter. I am used to being hassled for being in agreement with certain folks from time to time. I remember if I ever agreed with Jan on something (on old h20) I was one of "Jan's fans". If I ever write anything which might agree with Alan F. he is my "mentor" and now, for agreeing with Seeker I am a "groupie". But again, since I agree with bigboi--kudos all around!! Amazing. Almost "dogmatic".

Dannybear I have to tell you I have known Seeker for years, on a personal level. He is, without a doubt, the least judgemental, most open-minded, unoffendable person I have ever had the honor to know. He does not subscribe to hyperbole or fact twisting and has a great deal of integrity. One more fact about this friend of mine, he will readily admit error or retract a statement that was wrong. I think you are way off on your view of Seeker.

Just my 2 cents worth--
Julie

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How we Know that Evolution is a Fact

by JanH in

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there has been a number of threads related to evolution in the last month or so.

some posters, like penn, subscribes to a form of creationism, which i for this purpose will define as denial of large scale evolution (sometimes called macro-evolution).. even saner people sometimes alleges that scientists are unnecessarily 'dogmatic' about evolution, and that this is 'just a theory.

' these people may be recent exjws or jws, still believing the watchtower propaganda against evolutionary science, or accepting similar claims from various fundamentalist preachers and groups.

Julie

Hi Jan,

Thanks for the great post. I recently saw a portion of a documentary on PBS that was about evolution. I happened to catch a section on DNA, fortunately. I was amazed to see the actual DNA side by side with that of a chimp. How close they are!! Then the scientist went on to do comparisons of other animals with DNA of humans and explained that the bigger differences are because the other animals evolved differently than us longer ago than the chimps. Our most recent split is with the chimps and that's why their's is the closest match. I found the whole thing remarkably logical.

You summed it all up quite nicely. I would be very interested to see a creationist's view of your post.

Take care,
Julie

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I'm a bad American

by Bendrr in

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friends

i picked up this essay on another site and wanted to share it with y'all.

not sure of the original writer, so i'll credit www.thebigshow.com for posting it.. ---.

i'm a bad american.

Julie

Hi Seeker,

I thought of you when I read the inital post in this thread. Glad you addressed it. I am always glad to see my view aligns with those who I consider brilliant. We find affirmation where we can I guess.

Take care dear--
Julie

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I'm a bad American

by Bendrr in

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friends

i picked up this essay on another site and wanted to share it with y'all.

not sure of the original writer, so i'll credit www.thebigshow.com for posting it.. ---.

i'm a bad american.

Julie

Well I never thought I would say THIS but....I agree with bigboi, the person who wrote this doesn't know what they are talking about. I think we can thank the mis-information spreading hate-mongers like Rush Limbaugh and Gordon Liddy etc. for helping to fuel this narrow, dark mindset.

Just proves we have so far to go here in America. Sad.

Julie

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LETS ALL TAKE A BIG BREATH

by josephus in

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it seems to me that we are searching continually for newer and better dirt on the wtbts.. now we hear about jw child abusers.

child abuse is still a newish thing in the public eye.

we see the same mistakes .

Julie

Sir H. Step,

You remind me of someone....someone I think very highly of and have missed since H2O.....hmmmmmm......

Julie

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So... Where Are They?

by COMF in

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i moved to my current location, a house in a quiet, friendly, family-oriented neighborhood, in july of this year.

i've been here five months.

i'm usually home on saturday mornings and sunday afternoons.

Julie

Ah Comf, you are a kind hearted soul. While I cannot share your empathy with these poor souls I do as you do. I am nice to them, offer a drink (depending on weather), listen and then talk with them. I know there is no reason to be anything but nice to them as they really are victims. Of course they usually leave quickly when I explain why I don't think the bible is inspired, using the bible but we generally have a pleasant 20 mins. or so...

Take care,
Julie

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did any of you read the entire bible once...?

by Richie in

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just wanted to know if any of you have read the entire bible?

- i remember that it was mentioned in the congregation many times that this would be a requirement that we were to read the bible in its totality at least once and especially as elders!.

i myself never had the time (or energy) to read the scriptures from cover to cover.

Julie

Hi Richie,

After much discussion and reading many arguments *about* the bible, yes, I finally decided to just read it and make my own decisions regarding it.

Reading it was even more horrible than the atrocities I witnessed/experienced growing up in a home with an abusive, lunatic mother. I knew then there was nothing divine or inspired in there and haven't looked back since.

Thanks for asking.

Julie

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LETS ALL TAKE A BIG BREATH

by josephus in

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it seems to me that we are searching continually for newer and better dirt on the wtbts.. now we hear about jw child abusers.

child abuse is still a newish thing in the public eye.

we see the same mistakes .

Julie

I am so glad I came acroos this thread. I think as someone who never was a JW I have a unique perspective of this among posters. I studied with the JWs for some time. We got through that stupid little book they use and it took a long time cause we used to go off on all these side discussions. Anyway, it wasn't lost on me all the criticism of other churches and religions. I knew a lot of criticisms were justified but it seemed the WT pointed to the imperfections of others so very, very often. Pretty much assuring people that you won't find anything like that in congration of Jehovah's true followers.

This is one of the WT's main selling points. We are better than them. We are above such sinful, filthy behavior, we are chosen. Only we will survie armageddon and that's why.

I think it is very important that this truth come to light. I think people (the unsuspecting public) should know that not only does child sexual abuse occur in the WT-world but these victims are discuoraged, even prevented from taking action against their abusers. These abusers are sheltered by the WT.

Why would anyone criticize such a horror being brought to light? Only when such a thing is brought into the light can it be stopped. Unless someone has something to fear from all of this revelation......

Julie

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modern day prophets

by Julie in

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lately i have seen it pointed out that the bible is indeed inspired, if only the parts that contain prophecy (that of course have "come true").

this compelled me to make the comment that anyone with any knowledge of the ways of humankind can be a pretty accurate prophet.. prophecy, in one form or another, has been a necessary skill for all sorts of people throughout the ages.

anyone who needed to come up with a strategy needed to be an accurate prophet.

Julie

Hi Everybody,

Thanks for your thoughts on my post, I appreciate your imput.

Rex, my dearest,

Your statement about Jesus fulfilling prophecies answers a looming question/doubt of mine re: belief. I could very likely be a Christian and go along with that whole Christianity thing in spite of the contradictions in the NT EXCEPT, and it's a big exception, it's dependency on the OT to "prove" Jesus fulfillment of OT prophesies. You know full well how I feel about the OT and cannot believe a savior bringing a message of peace and love would want anything to do with it. Even harder to believe he would need such horrid tales of slaughter and misery to legitamize him as the savior of all mankind (especially since the whole OT is busy committing genocide on anyone not an Israelite as the others were all Unworthy). Just my two cents on the matter, dear, no disrespect intended of course. Love to you Rex.

Here's a prophecy for anyone to comment on, and I would appreciate thoughts from all but especially those who know anything about the global business world. My dad worked for General Motors in the financial division. I remember around the time Chrysler was about to close it's doors and the "gubberment" and General Motors helped them to stay afloat; my dad predicted that, eventually, there would be only about three carmakers globally. He went into his reasons for this belief and I thought they made perfect sense. Considering how things are now, with huge mergers and businesses being swollowed up daily, it seems he was onto something. He made this prediction what? 20-25 years ago? He couldn't see the future, he knew the industry and the business trends etc. so he mixed some common sense with foresight and the knowledge he had and that's what he came up with. Any thoughts? If you agree with that idea, any guesses as to when it might come to be? In our lifetimes you think? Just curious.

Take care all--
Julie

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modern day prophets

by Julie in

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friends

lately i have seen it pointed out that the bible is indeed inspired, if only the parts that contain prophecy (that of course have "come true").

this compelled me to make the comment that anyone with any knowledge of the ways of humankind can be a pretty accurate prophet.. prophecy, in one form or another, has been a necessary skill for all sorts of people throughout the ages.

anyone who needed to come up with a strategy needed to be an accurate prophet.

Julie

Greetings to All:

Lately I have seen it pointed out that the bible is indeed inspired, if only the parts that contain prophecy (that of course have "come true"). This compelled me to make the comment that anyone with any knowledge of the ways of humankind can be a pretty accurate prophet.

Prophecy, in one form or another, has been a necessary skill for all sorts of people throughout the ages. Anyone who needed to come up with a strategy needed to be an accurate prophet. Generals planning military campaigns, aspiring kings looking to usurp a throne, rulers of small countries needing to occupy their ambitious, more powerful neighbors, all utilized the skill of foresight/prophecy.

Who are today's modern prophets? They could be anyone from someone in politics planning a campaign to someone in marketing figuring out how to market a new product. Someone planning a social event would need to apply foresight, even someone as regular as a mom anticipating a child's needs plays the prophet from time to time.

It is simply a matter of knowing your fellow man and the way the world works. Prophecy is no big trick as I have done it countless times and I am sure so have most of you, whether you realize it or not.

In light of this obvious truth it is time that the believers of the bible came up with some other reason we must believe it to be divinely inspired. Prophecy is such a common, everyday occurance that we are either all divinely inspired or, as I contend, it is merely a little logic mixed with foresight, quite attainable for huge segments of the population.

Love to all,
Julie