one comment i hear from my jw son a lot is that "the organization (capital o!
) is made up of imperfect men, so they make mistakes.
" what are some answers to that?
Seeker,
I haven't even finished reading this thread but just finished reading your imaginary conversation with a JW. That was perfect!!! I find it so difficult to argue the point that their imperfect and Jah directs them that I'm at a loss to know what to say. I'm going to take the easy way out and print your response. All the JW responses are exactly how they'll respond and they know it. I have someone in mind whom I'm going to give this to. Thanks for sharing your dialouge.
Jurs
the memorial for my cousin, sharon, who died of breast cancer on september 6, was yesterday.
it was standing room only, and it was obvious how many people really loved her.
i couldn't help but think of all the absent ones, who had been her lifelong friends, and how sad it was that they stayed away.
Hi Mulan,
You have certainly been through alot lately. I'm sorry about your cousin. I am glad she was called a child of God and was loved by him....... Hearing such words of comfort followed by Sharons defense !!!!!!!!!
Hugs to you , Mulan
Laura
hey all,.
i've been out all day, so i apologize in advance if anyone already posted this info.. one of my jw relatives (whom i happened to see while visiting my dad this afternoon) told my mother that she'd have to "turn in her ticket to the elders to get a replacement.
" from what she said, they've changed the color of the ticket.
Nytelecom1,
No the ticket thing doesn't really disturb me. I don't feel like I'm nit picking. I don't have a motive. Its just plain and simple. I feel completely bitter toward the organization. I always believed that we followed the bible completely. I get mad at myself as well as the org when its plain as day that they don't. I get pleasure out of dogging the org when ever I can. I think this ticket thing is stupid and because of my thourough "twist a scripture to fit your cause training " that was instilled upon me by the org , I thought I'd put it to use once in awhile so I don't loose my touch. And in my opinion that scripture fit very well.
Jurs
hey all,.
i've been out all day, so i apologize in advance if anyone already posted this info.. one of my jw relatives (whom i happened to see while visiting my dad this afternoon) told my mother that she'd have to "turn in her ticket to the elders to get a replacement.
" from what she said, they've changed the color of the ticket.
Tickets for a special meeting ????????? Is this new? I have never heard of such a thing. We had parking tickets for conventions but thats it. So , do you need a ticket to get into this meeting? Is it just for elders?
How strange. It makes me think of a scripture. Rev. 22:17
And the spirit and the bride kept on saying "Come" And let anyone hearing say Come! and let anyone thirsty come let anyone who wishes take lifes water free. ( But only if you have a ticket) Sheeeesh
Jurs
hello guys,.
i must say that being labeled an apostate has made my life quite interesting.
i'm shunned every day at cosmetology school and the town i live in is small and i run into jw's all the time.
Hello guys,
I must say that being labeled an apostate has made my life quite interesting. I'm shunned every day at cosmetology school and the town I live in is small and I run into JW's all the time.
Today I saw a study who I called befor I left to warn her its a cult. I even invited her to my meetung with the elders when they came to discuss my DA letter. Today I was shopping and I saw her. I walked up to her and said Hi. (I think she would have shunned me because it appeared like she was trying to avoid me, I could be paranoid though)any how we ended up having a nice chat and I thanked her for speaking to me. I told her it meant alot to me. She then invited me to her Mary Kay party. For the guys reading this thats a makeup party. I think theres a good chance that maybe JW's might be there. For some reason I couldn't bring myself to ask her if any would be there. Do you guys think I should go? It'll definately be awkward if they are there.
Jurs
my friends,.
i just finished a holiday week-end with old friends in the organization.
all they knew when they came was that i had recently resigned as a elder.
Jst2laws,
That must have been a difficult decision for you to make. I'm a big believer in living life truthfully and without deceit. For some that comes with a heavy price. My guess is that you'll have a bumpy road ahead of you. I respect what you did and hope all goes well for you. It took alot of courage to open up the way you did and I think you may have planted seeds of truth to one day help someone else.
Keep us posted and know we are here to support you in the event of difficult times ahead.
Take care
Jurs
gathering that there seems to be a mix of active jw's, inactive jw's, ex-jw's, atheists etc.
here, i am wandering on your thoughts on the holidays with more focus on the more religious based holidays like christmas & easter.. i'd like to know if you celebrate them like the mainstream of society or if you still have your reservations about them based on what you learned as part of the wt.
i myself have been very turned off by the holidays in recent years - not because of the wt though- but for my own personal reasons.
Hi Peacepipe,
I only left the org in May so I have not yet celebrated but I plan to !!!! The Watchtower took too much from me already and I'm not about to let their past influence take any more away from me and my kids. I plan to celebrate ALL holidays. I can give a hoot less if its pagan. I no longer have the fear and guilt issues related to holidays. I have already started shopping and Have recently bought my kids halloween costumes. I don't care if Xmas becomes materialistic or not !!! I'm in it for the FUN of it, something that sorely lacked in my life and my kids life for the past 10 years.
I feel such anger at myself and the org when it comes to holidAYS and the like. I robbed my kids of some very special times. I was not raised a JW and when I was a kid holidays were so incredibly special. The guilt I feel towards my own kids is something I have to live with. I plan on buying them a gazillion presents and without the lessons of this is so commercialized and not the meaning of Christmas lectures.
No longer under the contol of the pharisees !!!!!!
Happy Holidays,
Jurs
i had a very positive experience today which maybe not-so-coincidentally coincided with my recent comments on matthew 25.. it was only my second personal experience with babylon the grape in my entire life.
my first was when one of my daughters got married in a catholic church over three years ago.
i actually sat inside the catholic chapel and watched her priest perform the ceremony.
Hi Farkel,
I enjoyed your post. I've been in many bread and cheese lines. My dad lost his job when the mine shut down in my hometown and we relied upon the kindness of other until he got back on his feet. In my opinion being broke builds characterand compassion for others that people born with a silver spoon in their mouths lack...
Anyhow back to the point you brought up. Doesn't it make you all a little ashamed of the JW mindset we all use to have. I looked my nose down on churches that offered true christian love.
Jurs
my father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.
i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.
his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.
Farkel,
I am so sorry about your Dad. I wish I had the right words to offer comfort to you . Hopefully it is of some comfort to know that we are here for you. My heart goes out to you.
Laura
i am so happy.
i just got a call from a sister who i was very close to.
her husband is an elder so she has to call me when he's not home.
I am so happy. I just got a call from a sister who I was very close to. Her husband is an elder so she has to call me when he's not home. It feels strange knowing that our friendship has to be in secret but I'm glad she's taking the risk.
For those that don't know, this sister and I use to drink together. We had gone out a number of times and sometimes went dancing ect. but never crossed the line. We just had some fun. My husband didn't care because he's not a witnesss and he trusted me but my friends husband is an elder and so he never knew. Finally my conscience couldn't take it any longer and I went to the elders and told on myself as well as my friend. She lied her way out of it. I'm so glad now she did. Anyhow to make a long story short that was the beginning of my way out of the org. I saw how JW's have to hide their problems and how elders can get caught up in protecting their image and status.
I called my friend when I DA'd myself to say goodbye. She told me she'd keep in touch but I didn't believe her. She called and wants us to still get together. We have been close friends for 7 or 8 years now and I can't tell you how happy that makes me. Loosing her as a friend hurt alot. I'm glad our friendship is still there. Jurs
