i was wondering how revelation 19:1 is explained .
"after this i heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven ....... how do jw's explain this since they teach the great crowd is going to be on the earth.
Idget:
Your not an idiot!
Clarification!
I mentioned that is the way the WTBS explains it, but that it NOT THE Way it really is!
It is as explained when you read on in my post and AGUESTS post.
Yes Yes Yes, the great crowd are in heaven!
Sorry Watchtower...
Just a Mom (Kim)
i was wondering how revelation 19:1 is explained .
"after this i heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven ....... how do jw's explain this since they teach the great crowd is going to be on the earth.
Hello and good question
Yes, the great crowd are also in heaven, but the society would NEVER want you to know that.
They appky this verse to the myriads of angels and spirit beings in heaven (duh..). Notice their cross-references they use.
This is a lie and distraction from thr real truth that the great crowd are granted entry into the kingdom (heavenly one).
That is truthfully how they can stand before the throne in Rev 7. Since the throne is in heaven hello, that is where they are.
They will lie to you the explanantion that "they are in the SIGHT of the throne on EARTH" yada yada...
The earth at this time is not the earth as we know it. The earth as we know it is the earth that is "outside" the gates. That is where they are either abandoned to or cast out if they do not have on a proper garment. In the same way that Adam was cast out of the garden and confined to the earth that was cursed. But that curse too will be lifted after the 1,000 yr. reign. What makes it NEW is that it is literal just not physical. That is how the kings and priests rule ON yes ON the earth. REVELATION 5:10.
Your NWT will say "over" but get out the WTs greek interlinear and NOW read it from the original greek. "ON" the earth.
Hope this helps some
JUST A MOM (Kim)
"as for you stupid ones, when will you have any insight?
" is a question jehovah asks of you.
the question is part of the 94th psalm, and is directed toward those who imagine that jehovah doesn't see or understand what is happening.
Greetings You Know:
And I agree 100% with your Psalms.
It is not time consuming exposing the WT. They have dug their own grave. It is in Jah's timetable when they will lie down in it.
As far as degrading the WTBS. NO! They have spent an entire century tearing apart and degrading religion that is not theirs.
It is just time that they look in "the mirror" and stop extracting "straws" and remove their own "rafters."
It is for that reason, You Know, that the spirit and the bride keep saying, "Come!" And
"Get out of her my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins and receive her plagues." REVELATION 18:4
Those that are of the body and true members of the household of God will continue to help lead those whom our master is leading to our father Jah through the door. The Christ and not a visible man-made entity.
JUST A MOM (Kim)
folks, i know some of you feel a little peeved with the old h2o but i don't think you have been fair to the new one.
there is and will be a different attitude there and i have been assured of this by both rick and fd2.
i would like to encourage everyone here to cross post on h2o in the various forums .... let's make as many places as we can available for those who need support and questions answered .... theo nly wat to do that is let your past animosities go and think of those coming behind you.. if you have problems there then there is a forum you can post your complaints to and suggestiosn on what needs changing ... i just feel with the number of people here who could help those who come into h2o (and tishies board0 that we need to reach out a little more ..... go over and try it out folks and support others there too .......... http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=311102.
Hey Hey Hey Jan
Folks might come back if the moderaters would be COMPLETELY honest and stop all the banning crap!
Lets be honest!
Just how OPEN can an OPEN forum be when you govern spirituality just like the WT..BS
Just a thought
JUST A MOM (Kim) who understands moderating "the nasties". But lets get real! How much damage can one do talking about our creator. Whether you hear it or click off, thats your perogative!
i am over 30 and have been out of the "organization" for almost 14 years now.
my father is an elder who's main concern is kissing up to the c.o.
so he can move up the ranks and be important.
Hello Professor
I too feel your pain and agony. It has only been 3 1/2 yrs for my husband and I, but we still shed tears from time to time. Get angry, feel sorry for them, feel pity, and start all over again.
As long as they are loyal to that org they will NEVER understand the TRUE love of the Christ. That he would NEVER deny His flesh. He never even denied his enemies. How much more so family.
LOVE NEVER FAILS
IDENTIFYING MARK IS LOVE
We can be the ones to see above it all and set the example of love despite their rejection. Do not let them change who you are. Rise above it!
They (our families) say they still love us, but this is discipline so we will come back. But 1JOHN 3:18 says to love NOT in word but in DEED!
Feed your enemies and pray for them our master said.
How could they be in that position when they view us as dead.
Granted, many live life styles that we may not condone. We can still love them without practicing with them.
ALL we can do is pray for them. If we belong to the lord and are in union and remain in union with him, his love and mercy for us and our feelings may be extented to them.
Sort of like a Rahab situation. She put faith and her WHOLE household was saved on account of ONE person. Do not underestimate the LOVE and MERCY our lord has. We cannot EVEN compare to theirs.
But we MUST remain faithful and endure to the end.
There are many who share your pain.
What we have done is try to turn it around to a positive and witness and share with others and be there when they come out also.
Ask our lord to use you to his glory and turn your sorrow into gladness!
With much christian love
JUSTA MOM (Kim)
when jws ask one of the anointed just how they "know" that they are anointed, they are really asking what it is that god does via the holy spirit that tells them they are chosen.
a "bolt" of lightening?
a rush of the wind?
Greetings Quester and welcome
You mentioned your experience of holy spirit and then said after a while you felt you could no longer progress and felt stifled.
As I too experienced something similar, these scriptures many help.
GALATIANS 4
GALATIANS 5:1
2CORINTHIANS 6:16-18
REVELATIAN 18:4
MATTHEW 23:10
JOHN 10
That may a world of diffeence to me
May you have peace
A fellow slave
JUST A MOM (Kim)
when jws ask one of the anointed just how they "know" that they are anointed, they are really asking what it is that god does via the holy spirit that tells them they are chosen.
a "bolt" of lightening?
a rush of the wind?
Greetings Coper...
That feeling of the spirit I NEVER felt inside the org.
I felt as I was taught that it was the spirit that was helping me accomplish all I did in the WT.
Til ONE DAY because of my prayers that I had fervently been asking for for a few months on the feeding work and the treatment of the anointed inside under 100 yrs old lol...
ones younger than they accept.
I felt a voice in me that directed me to read like the entire bible. Something I had never done.
Psalms, ALL the books of the prophets, the gospels, Revelation.
I specifically heard
GALATIONS CHPTR 4: 1-9
"To quit touching the unclean thing, and then I will take you in."
"To get out of her...if you do not not want to share with her in her sins and recieve her plagues."
GALATIANS 5:1
JOHN 6: 48-58
I was completely overwhelmed that for the first time I KNEW I HAD TO PARTAKE.
Since then, the spirit continually feeds me.
For questioning the uninspired literature and agreeing with the scriptures, I was disfellowshipped for apostacy against my baptism and the org.
OH WELLLLL.......
And here I am! Never been more alive...
JUST A MOM (Kim)
when jws ask one of the anointed just how they "know" that they are anointed, they are really asking what it is that god does via the holy spirit that tells them they are chosen.
a "bolt" of lightening?
a rush of the wind?
Greetings Amazing:
Yes, I must agree with much if what you say.
As evidence by continuous false prophecy, the Wt. are NOT who they say they are. They say they are NOT prophets and yet they prophecy.
Are you or aren't you? When its convenient they are! We all know that.
Yes, many claim to possess holy spirit. Whether or not they do or not the scriptures tell us "by their fruits you will recognize them."
Also, when we "test out inspired utterances from them" if WE possess that spirit, our spirit will bear witness with theirs. That is the unity our lord wanted and prayed for for HIS disciples.
Remember though, there are SHEEP and there are HIS SHEEP (John 10)
There are the sheep that HEAR HIS VOICE AND FOLLOW THE LAMB WHEREVER HE GOES. Walking by faith and not sight. With spirit and truth. Allowing the spirit to control the flesh and not the flesh to control the spirit.
These are christs brothers, the body of christ that are in the covenant and remain in union with it. They are also spiritual true virgins that are not yoked to any other except our lord. Not involved in spiritual adultery by allowing other churches to teach them.
Then there are sheep that are separated during the 1,000 yr. reign that simply do GOOD to the LEAST of one of christs brothers.
They are counted as sheep for doing good to the brothers although they themselves are not.
Yes, granted on many occasions when you have received holy spirit, when the spirit in trying to teach you and you are listening, it does hit you like a 'chill'. That is a witness to you that a matter is established as a fact.
So, as a fellow slave of christ, I hope you agree with my sharing. If not, let me know and why.
May you have peace
JUST A MOM (Kim)
for me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.
it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.
and the society never did.
First doubt!!!
Why in the world aren't the anointed doing the feeding work....??
They have turned it over to the non-anointed Nethinim class, allow them to write and print the literature, added new so-called anointed that are too young technically to qualify (since 1935) and produce so-called inspired utterances into uninspired literature...
HEEEELLLLLO Get a clue!
Better "test it out". Well I did! And guess where it got me for disagreeing with unispired Wt mags??
THE BIG BOOT
Never been better
Just a thought
JUST A MOM (Kim)
i missed one day of the 2001 district convention.
i heard from someone seated nearby that, beginning in 2003, the theocratic ministry school will be newly formatted.
does anyone here know what that new format will be?
Hey
Revamping the school hey????
No more coounsel slips
No more written reviews....WOW
Maybe now they will realize that the sisters have been TEACHING all along and they will finally just let them give their talks from the podium. Then new light will finaly emminate!!!! lol lol lol
YOU GO SISTAS
SOUL SISTAS
JUSTAMOM (Kim)
