i was recently asked about my opinion re: hell.. as a born-and-raised jw i obviously never believed in hell-fire torment.
actually, i refuse to believe in such a thing.
for many years my favorite response to the idea was "i would rather burn in hell than worship a god who would create such a place.".
Hell is a place Away from God that all. God does not torture anyone.
The ones who choose to live away from God they are Tortured because they desided to stay way from the Eternal Light.
In Revelation it is clear at the last verses that outside are the liars and the fornicators from the Gods Kindom were is dark.
Jesus is the Light, and been away from Him it is a TORTURE
update on swarm:
most of you are aware that the wtbts owns stocks on at least three companies dedicated to provide rand cam engine technology to the u.s. navy.
the engine in question has been mounted on the spy plane previously known as swarm (smart war-fighter array of re-configurable modules).
I agree with the brevious post that the WATCHTOWER is part of the Masons,(remember the sublimainal messages on their puplications with Satanic and Masonic symbols, plus their Pyramidology and occult roots that they had for 70 years) they just cover it in order to gain more control, and set their New World Word an expression that WT using for years now.
There is NO chance that the Media will do anything about it, specially now that US is becoming a Nazi State, were personal freedomn of Expresion is not allowed under the Patriot Act law.
The Media in US and UK they lied to the people regarding the War in Iraq(no weapons of mass destruction were found, and the real reason for this War was Iraq's oil)and anyone who tryied to tell the truth about the War crimes that US did and does in Iraq was silent, just like the WT is isolating with disfellowship those who do not agree with the WT policy.
All this is a part of the New World Order set by the Masons and WT is a part of it...
there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).
several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.
here is a quote that shows this: .
When you look at WT failed prophecies and their history records it makes someone wonder how come this Cult has managed to survive after all this unfulfilled prophesies.
George Orwell said: Everything faded to the mist, the past was erased the erasure was forgotten and the lie became true.
With the WT this is exactly was happening.
I was reading the book from Judge Jo “Light” volume 2 1930 and I came across at pages 100 and 101 were Jo was explaining the prophesy of Revelation 17:8
According to the prophecy the “beast” was the “International Conference of Piece of Hagen” est.1899 from Russia, U.S.A, Germany, France, England. (And it was functioning like the U.N. today) But with the beginning of WWI it ceased to exit. Then we find the “great prophetic explanation” that the “beast” came again to existence with the “League of the Nations” and it was fulfilling Revelation 17:8.
But when WWII began and Judge Jo believed that the “end” is just months way in 1942…well you guess it correct Nathan Norr came alone and gave another “new” fulfillment of that prophesy.
He “forgot” what was the previous one, and came with the explanation that the League of the Nations was the “beast” that went down to Abyss and U.N it is the beast that came out from Abyss, only to stay a limited time until Armageddon.
Another excellent example of how WT prophecies act like a chameleon change color when ever it suits… We have almost 60 years after U.N was created and we find that U.N it is another failed prophesy because:
Since the prophesy says that it will stay only for a limited time 60 years it is too much time if we compare with the explanation that the League of The Nations lasted from 1922 – 1939 only 17 years. So U.N should last a lesser time of period
So we are waiting to see what “New Light” it will come out from Brooklyn this time…
there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).
several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.
here is a quote that shows this: .
The GB it is trying to find another new light in order to get way from the mess they are now.
In the "Light" book from Jo volume II the beast was the Hagen International Court est,1898. It went to abyss in 1914 and came out 1922 with the Leaque of the Nations that soon will go to the Abyss. In 1942 he saw the prophesie being fullfilled...then he died...then Norr came and said that the Beast is the Leaque of The Nations that wenT to the abyss(FORGETTING the previous "light" and U.N came out only to stay a limited time.
We have 60 years of U.N instead 17 of the Leaque. So they NEED TO COME WITH NEW LIGHT!!!
further to this topic:.
suggestion: should we stop threads discussing america?.
i have decided that it may be better if we call a halt to the topics about america and the war in general.. there is more background info in that topic but the key points are:all these topics are distracting from the main purpose of the board.
Martin Louther King said: Our lifes begin to end when we become silent of things that matter.
Yes it matters to see the arrogance of the U.S administration by using a selective way for human rights.
It matters to see Ali the 12 year old child that U.S missiles killed his family, and left him with no arms, or the thousands that killed and injured in Iraq from U.S "clever" bombs.
It matters to see a president that lies to his people in order to strike a country without any U.N resolutions, while the real reason it is the oil of Iraq, and the U.S war industry. By the way were are the chemical weapons that Sadam had and he was going to use them against U.S?
It matters to see how dirty it is the U.S foreing affairs, were they create regimes like Sadam, they gave him chemicals weapons, and then forgot about it, and they remember that Sadam has chemical weapons but NOT explaining WHO gave him.
It matters to see that the only international law and order it is the Law of the FAR WEST. We have the guns and power and we shoot anyone that we don't like or DISAGREES with us.
It matters to see that Billions of dollars are used for developing new weapons instead for helping pour countries.
It matters to see reporters being killed by U.S army because the only tell the TRUTH about what happened in the Iraq war.
So have I become your enemy because I told you the TRUTH?
watchtowers failed prophesy of u.n from rutherford-today.
when you look at wt failed prophecies and their history records it makes someone wonder how come this cult has managed to survive after all this unfulfilled prophesies.. george orwell said: everything faded to the mist, the past was erased the erasure was forgotten and the lie became true.. with the wt this is exactly was happening.. i was reading the book from judge jo light volume 2 1930 and i came across at pages 100 and 101 were jo was explaining the prophesy of revelation 17:8. according to the prophecy the beast was the international conference of piece of hagen est.1899 from russia, u.s.a, germany, france, england.
(and it was functioning like the u.n. today) but with the beginning of wwi it ceased to exit.then we find the great prophetic explanation that the beast came again to existence with the league of the nations and it was fulfilling revelation 17:8.. but when wwii began and judge jo believed that the end is just months way in 1942well you guess it correct nathan norr came alone and gave another new fulfillment of that prophesy.. he forgot what was the previous one, and came with the explanation that the league of the nations was the beast that went down to abyss and u.n it is the beast that came out from abyss, only to stay a limited time until armageddon.. another excellent example of how wt prophecies act like a chameleon change color when ever it suitswe have almost 60 years after u.n was created and we find that u.n it is another failed prophesy because:.
When you look at WT failed prophecies and their history records it makes someone wonder how come this Cult has managed to survive after all this unfulfilled prophesies.
George Orwell said: Everything faded to the mist, the past was erased the erasure was forgotten and the lie became true.
With the WT this is exactly was happening.
I was reading the book from Judge Jo “Light” volume 2 1930 and I came across at pages 100 and 101 were Jo was explaining the prophesy of Revelation 17:8
According to the prophecy the “beast” was the “International Conference of Piece of Hagen” est.1899 from Russia, U.S.A, Germany, France, England. (And it was functioning like the U.N. today) But with the beginning of WWI it ceased to exit. Then we find the “great prophetic explanation” that the “beast” came again to existence with the “League of the Nations” and it was fulfilling Revelation 17:8.
But when WWII began and Judge Jo believed that the “end” is just months way in 1942…well you guess it correct Nathan Norr came alone and gave another “new” fulfillment of that prophesy.
He “forgot” what was the previous one, and came with the explanation that the League of the Nations was the “beast” that went down to Abyss and U.N it is the beast that came out from Abyss, only to stay a limited time until Armageddon.
Another excellent example of how WT prophecies act like a chameleon change color when ever it suits… We have almost 60 years after U.N was created and we find that U.N it is another failed prophesy because:
Since the prophesy says that it will stay only for a limited time 60 years it is too much time if we compare with the explanation that the League of The Nations lasted from 1922 – 1939 only 17 years. So U.N should last a lesser time of period
So we are waiting to see what “New Light” it will come out from Brooklyn this time…
since the media in u.s show nothing about the war in iraq, and bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how bush is setting free the iraqi people.
similar view of how watchtower's god will treat everyone who disagrees with them in armageddon.
bush does not care about the iraqi people.
Since the media in U.S show nothing about the war in Iraq, and Bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how Bush is setting FREE the Iraqi people. Similar view of how Watchtower's God will treat everyone who disagrees with them in Armageddon.
Bush does NOT care about the Iraqi people. The only think he cares it is Iraq's OIL. He never cared about the lifes of the innocent children, or the lifes of the U.S soldiers that he send to die in Iraq. This the result of the bombings of the "brave" pilots, children killed while they were in the hospitals or in their houses, or in the shelters.
THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF THE WAR, THIS WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE
AND AFTER ALL THIS HORROR, PAIN AND DEATH THAT BUSH BROUGHT TO THE CHILDREN OF IRAQ HE THINK'S THAT HE IS A CHRISTIAN!!!
WILL GOD BLESS THIS AMREICA?
since the media in u.s show nothing about the war in iraq, and bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how bush is setting free the iraqi people.
similar view of how watchtower's god will treat everyone who disagrees with them in armageddon.
bush does not care about the iraqi people.
Since the media in U.S show nothing about the war in Iraq, and Bush's administration censor everything that is "bad' for the puplic, here are some shocking photos of how Bush is setting FREE the Iraqi people. Similar view of how Watchtower's God will treat everyone who disagrees with them in Armageddon.
Bush does NOT care about the Iraqi people. The only think he cares it is Iraq's OIL. He never cared about the lifes of the innocent children that he's "brave" pilots bombed, while they were in the hospitals or in their houses, or in the shelters.
THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF THE WAR, THIS WHAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE
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i know there have been some 'bad' events but on the bigger scale of things i think the war has so far gone remarkably well.
if the reports are to be believed then major resistance has crumbled and, althought there is still a lot to do, it does not appear to be turning into the street-by-street bloodbath that some feared.. whether it will be judged truly successful will, of course, take many years and will largely depend on how things get off to a good start or not with any interim government.. the troops have done a great job ... let's hope the politicians don't flush it all down the drain.
The war has gone excelllent for the Iraqi women and children. It seems than in U.S. the goverment through the media has done an excellent job by HIDDING the true and the real face of the World.
This is what Adolfs Bush "brave" army is doing to Iraq, he is really setting them "FREE"
ridicule of the watchtower shift on "king of the north" is appropriate.
why didn't they hang in there with russia?
i've heard every conceivable speculation about the new improved king of the north.
Watchowers Prophecy's are like Chamelaion..they change colour when ever they fit them...
The all idea of king north and south is bogus...think that:
After Rome was seperated around 400 a.d the Byzantine Empire arised.Byzantine again was Greek. So we have 2 Greek Empires in 323 b.c until 100 b.c and another from 400 a.d until 1453 were it was seized by the Othomans that they become also a very large Empire one of the largests. But we don't find the Othoman Empire in W.T interpretations, but they should because the Othoman was in constant fight with other powers like Russia,and France.
