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Personally I don't think that Bowens letter will have any chance at all. The GB will continue to ignore it like the thousands of letters they have received during the years.
They care only for their possition, and it is a very nice thing to know that 6,000,000 people they treat you like God. Because this is the way JW feel about the GB, or the Faithfull and Discreat Slave.
So they will continue their policies and their unscriptual Bible dogma.
i got dungbeetle's persmission to post this here.
it's very good.... ====================================================================.
i almost feel sorry for the watchtower .
Great post Dungbeetle
I feel like that I was there in Brooklyn
the question was this: "if someone committs suicide, would it be advisable for a christain minister to give the funeral talk?
" ((((((((((((me barfing already here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))))))))))).
here are some sick , literally made me feel my blood pressure about to explode , remarks:.
The Watchtower cares only to give the perfect image to the world. Specially when they declare that JW are happy people. Through my experience all this years I know that most of JW suffer from mental problems.
So God knows that we are Humans. Jesus was here and He knows thay feeling. If someone commits suicide because of mental problems or sickness HE knows and will forgive.
ok, here's my question.
how do you go from being a jw to being a whatever (methodist, lutheran, etc.
) i've been invited to go to many churches with friends, but, i have no desire to ever set foot in any church.
It is a fact that most who leave JW have same fears like you do. Personally I have decided not to follow any religion, for many reasons, for me it is enough to put my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord and my Savior. Because faith in Jesus Christ save us. It doesn't matter were to you belong. (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant). It matters to whom you belong.
Although I have found many things by studying other Christian domenations, I realize that all of them they have similar things, and I have found information that JW couldn't give. Specially the JW interpretation of some Bible verses it shows that they put their doctrines above the Bible. It was more easy for me to find out this verses and compare them with the original Greek scriptures because I'm Greek(I remember that one of the Annointed Ones couldn't have the NWT and still reads the old Greek Bible we had). Although I found answers to my questions through the Orthodox Church still I don't feel to join them. I can go to Sunday service, pray, and that helps me a lot.
So my friend it is in Jesus that we belong and not to any Church, specially the ones that they declare the have the "Truth".
below are a couple of coments from the bbc web page, youwill notice the typical jw response.
many more listed use the link below .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_855000/855727.stm.
It is the typical double thinking of the JW's. If anyone says something they don't like they consider it persecution. They would be more happy if they were the only ones living in this world, so that no one say's anything against their filthy organization. But we are living in a free world and JW they have to realize this. That is why we have different opinions and they also must be heard.
But when the Watchtower decides to write an aritcle in their magazines against any other religion, it is okey. That is not persecution, it is exposing false religion.
My dear Witness friends, you have to accept critisizm because you are living in a free world. This is not your Organization that you are not allowed to have freedom of thought or speech. That is the true meaning of democracy that Greece show it to the world 2600 years ago. That everyone express freely he's point of view without any sactions.
Perhaps you might ask your selfs, if the world was like your organization, would you exist today? You know the answer...
It is because free demeocratic world has accepted you and many other cults like you it is the reason that you exist. But instead of respecting that, your organzation attacks everyone that disagrees with them, even those country's that they have quarrantee your freedom.
Respect others and accept them even if you disagree with them. That is the meaning of democracy.
Good work BBC, and I'm waiting to see the demonstration outside Brooklyn...
i finally got around to browsing through yesterday's paper, and saw the above headline on page 4. unfortunately, my paper only keeps the current day's headlines on line, so i can't reprint the article (it came from canadian press, if anyone else can find it).. the article begins:.
"a calgary teen who fought blood transfusions in her losing battle with leukemia learns thursday whether the supreme court of canada will hear her case.. "the decision won't likely affect the 16 year old girl: the alberta government last week stopped forcing treatments on the dying jehovah's witness after 38 transfusions and four rounds of chemotherapy failed to stop the cancer.. "she is not expected to see her 17th birthday on aug. 20.. "but the hight court, should it hear her appeal, could proceed even after her death to clarify the rights of young people who reject medical treatment.. "'my case is about rights,' the girl, whose identity is protected by a publication ban, told a makeshift provincial court set up last week in her hospital room.".
..... there isn't anything new in the article, but there were some interesting comments.... "in a move that split the family, her father went against his wife and daughter to support the procedures.. "'how many parents would actually sit there and watch their child die?
The most tragic thing is the ingnorance of the JW regarding W.T policies during the years. Indeed W.T is bloodguilty like the other religions. Perhaps if the rank and file had idea what was preached as "truth" in the past, like vaccinations, organ transplants, they would consider what is the best for them.
I believe that the Watchtower is controled by higher dark forces that we cannot imagine... What kind of religion is this to send innocent children and people to death as a result of the loyalty to their Organization. Do you believe that the Governing Body of this organization is really has a divine guidance? What kind of guidance is this to see people dying over the years, and their bloodthursty God is happy about their stand?
It reminds the muslims that they are willing to carry a bomb and kill innocent people, with the promise that they will inherit paradise.
Regarding the Judge's I'm sure thay they are also been controled that is why over the years only a few had managed to win a case against the Watchtower, and this is a fact.
That is very good Bill, we wish you all the luck
This is the only way that you can push the GB to change policy. Imagine if they had outside Brooklyn 2-3 a year demostrantions for many other subjects. I'm sure that when the GB feels the ground under their feet shacking, they will consider many other things.
Together we stand, divided we fall
Good luck
With love from Greece
mailing campaign fallout.
recently, kingdom halls of jehovahs witnesses were the largest group of intended recipients of an international mailing campaign, spanning all fifty states of the united states and including the countries of canada and england.. the results in the us have been interesting, and could have far-reaching effects on our legal system and on the preaching practices of jehovahs witnesses.. over a hundred years ago, a group of evangelical apocryphical persons calling themselves "bible students" began a campaign to sell bible-based literature at homes throughout the united states.
from time to time, their effeorts faced legal challenges, some were won and some were lost, but in general the door-to-door campaigns have continued unabated, with varying degrees of success.
For the Watchtower it is only one way reasoning. They want others to respect them, listen to them, allow them to preach, do whatever they like, but it is only one way. They don't follow their reasoning.
I remember once in my country when I knocked at a door with 3 stickers saying that they don't won't JW, Pentocostians, LDS, knocking at their door, and I knocked the door. And the owner with kind way told that the reason he put the warnings is that he don't like to be disturbed. Please respect my privacy he told me.
But off course we have been told that no matter what, we have to keep on knocking at people's doors so we can find the sheeplikeones.
Time is running against the Watchtower. The countdown has started and we will Witness their fall.
i always find it so annoying whenever there's a wt study on the good samaritan.
no one at the hall ever suggests that the idea behind it, is that we should be helping our "enemies" in a charitable way, such as feeding them, clothing them, helping them out in a physcial way.....nope they always turn it around to where it only means we should be preaching to our enemies, cause lord only knows, actually helping someone out in a charitable way means less than nothing in the organization.. anyhoo, the last time we had an article on that (couple of years ago), i specifically put up my hand and said "this is not talking about preaching to our enemies.
the samaritan did not preach to the jew nor vise versa.
The Watchtower never cares about helping people, they only care about making new members. And when they must show charity works, they do it like a show for the media so that a newspaper writes an article for them to show it to the rank and file how good are JW by helping others in a time of disaster.
Watchtower has millions of dollars but never opened a hospital for the poor or a place for the old people for nurcing to stay. Not even for their own members.
In the Bible in James we read that pure worship is helpimg orphans widows and poor ones. But it seems that Watchtower has nothing to do with pure worship. IF they really believe what they are preaching they wouldn't spent millions on buildings to show off, just like the Stanley Theatre in N.Y. were they have roofs with stars and clouds moving around, and luxury everywere.
Will JESUS come to a place like that and give a talk...
not that my mom would ever visit this site - but i have to just vent.
last night my mom promised she would meet me at home to help me move some furniture.
she made it seem like it was a tremendous deal and the only reason why she would be by would be because she had something else to do in the neighbourhood.
Watch Tower does not know the meaning of the words love, forgiveness, understanding. What they really care it is just their man made rules. The only reason why they tread Ex witness like that is to guard their filthy organization, and the fear that more will be awake if they listen to the other side. Because in this mind control cult the opposite side cannot be heard.
Can you imagine if other religions treat everyone like the Watch Tower does? It would have been a world of hate. Using the same reasoning no one would accept JW to their homes because they are also apostates
