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  Science vs. Spirituality?

  by Sunchild in

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  i originally posed this question to jh in another thread, and now i'm wondering how other atheists -- especially the hardcore ones -- here would answer it.

  this isn't about proving or disproving any particular viewpoint, but just an attempt to understand a mindset that seems... well... beyond my understanding.

  <g> first, though, here are a couple of terms defined as used in the context of my inquiry.. science: the objective study of the natural world.. spirituality: an intangible aspect of nature/the universe (including humanity) that may or may not include belief in any deity, but which is merely a general sense that something more is out there, and also within us.

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  I think until science disproves creation, there is no need for it to be conflictive with spirituality, if u know what I mean.

  You can't argue with scientific fact, nor can you with faith!

  Chris
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  BRITS v YANKS

  by nicolaou in

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  brits v yanks.

  this is just for laughs, but let's be honest us brits are most definately ahead of our 'cousins' across the water in the credibility stakes.. i'll kick us off and see where we go;.

  [1] the beautiful game.. it's called football.

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  There ARE some kids in the U.K that don't take a gun to school with them!!!

  U.K 683

  U.S.A -683

  I lost count of the score so....................

  Chris
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  What Caused Your First Doubt ?

  by Big Jim in

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  for me it was when i was about twelve years old and my best friends dad was disfellowshipped from the congregation.. i could not understand how a god of love would treat someone so coldly.. i used to think what if that was the way my parents would treat me if i had done something wrong, that would be so hard and cruel.. as i got older another thing that bothered me was the beard issue.

  it may sound pretty trivial however the society has always refused to make a good arguement as to why they would give you the old cold shoulder if you were to grow one.. two more items; first i could not understand why all the congregations and all the assemblys would give income reports.

  and the society never did.

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  I can't speak for myself but my mum started getting doubts when she realised that when they said all the 'wicked' will be destroyed, they didn't mean wicked, they meant non-JW's!!!!!!!!

  Among a LOAD of other things, I might add!!

  C ya's

  Chris
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  AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by JW72 in

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  hi special fried chipmonks.. can anyone help me try and prove to my dad that just because jw's teach a lot of good and do get a lot of things right(mainly common sense, i might add) that this does not mean that you can ignore the things they have got wrong, the kind of things that could prove that they are not who they say or think they are!!.

  he is great at reasoning the existence of god but when it comes to defending jdubs he is blinkered.. i try to tell him that 'isn't it a coinsidence that you were born into the 'truth', or is it that every child thinks that it's parents are right!!'..

  also he says that you shouldn't spend so much time trying to prove it's correctness but put faith in it.

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  Hi special fried chipmonks.

  Can anyone help me try and prove to my dad that just because JW's teach a lot of good and do get a lot of things right(mainly common sense, I might add) that this does not mean that you can ignore the things they have got wrong, the kind of things that could prove that they are NOT who they say or think they are!!

  He is great at reasoning the existence of God but when it comes to defending jdubs he is BLINKERED.

  I try to tell him that 'Isn't it a coinsidence that you were born into the 'truth', or is it that every child thinks that it's parents are right!!'.

  Also he says that you shouldn't spend so much time trying to PROVE it's correctness but put faith in it. I say what about all the other religions that kids grow up in and are given this advice, if faith is what it's all about, they won't listen to anyone else, coz it'll distract from their faith!!!

  Anyone else agree????

  Please help, thanks

  Chris
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  Hi Everyone

  by JW72 in

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  hi all, i don't know if anyone will remember me.. i haven't posted for ages, just wanna let everyone know that i'm still alive, if anyone cares.. i see nothing's really changes here.. ooooh except venice's picture, very nice..... chris

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  Thanks to all of you for replying.

  I've been busy finishing music college and the after-celebrations!!

  I have returned home to a slightly worse family life than before, my dad being a JW and my mum and 'wee' bro' not being.
  It seems that there is no solution to this madness, my dad blames my mum for the fact that neither me or my older bro' are JW's any more.
  She helped us see the real 'truth', he sees it as her 'poisoning' us.

  It's a real nightmare, I'll try and be strong though!!

  Love to everyone,

  Chris
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  Hi Everyone

  by JW72 in

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  hi all, i don't know if anyone will remember me.. i haven't posted for ages, just wanna let everyone know that i'm still alive, if anyone cares.. i see nothing's really changes here.. ooooh except venice's picture, very nice..... chris

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  Hi all, I don't know if anyone will remember me.

  I haven't posted for AGES, just wanna let everyone know that I'm still alive, if anyone cares.

  I see nothing's really changes here.

  Ooooh except Venice's picture, very nice....

  Chris
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  JW JOKES PLEASE ADD MORE!

  by natred in

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  jokeshow to get rid of a jehovah's witness... .

  when they ask, "can i talk to you about god?

  " reply, "sure, what would you like to know?

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  Why didn't the little JW boy get punished for shooting dead the little non-JW boys from next-door??

  His parents thought he was just helping Jehovah get Armageddon up and running.

  Sorry

  Chris
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  "Well Rounded JW Kids"

  by LDH in

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  well, my parents (from ny) came out to visit a couple of weeks ago, no notice or anything (they live 3,000 miles away) and knocked on my door on a friday evening.. as hubby was not home from work yet, and i was laying down from yet another migraine, i got extremely agitated when the doorbell rang.

  now, i don't open my door for anyone when i'm not feeling well.

  to make a long story short, it was my parents, who spent about 6 days.

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  Hi LDH, I enjoyed your story, it just goes to show, we all have very similar experiences that we all think are unique.

  Don't let it get you down, I feel bad because it actually made me smile.

  Love

  Chris
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  JE-HOVIS WITNESSES

  by JW72 in

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  hi everyone, sorry about the title, got your attention though!!.....

  my dad is the only jw in my family, i'm not, my 2 brothers aren't and neither is my mum.. my mum was until me and my older brother were about 6 & 7.. me and my brother were until we were 15 & 16.. my little brother was briefly, but escaped in 'the nick of time'.. life is very tough in my house, with my dad stomping around the house, making everyone feel guilty and uncomfortable with every little thing that we do.. we are just trying to get on like a normal family, and all he can do is say negative things about everything we do.. it is impossible to live with him, we have all come to agree.. we have shown him all the evidence we have to show him jw is a cult but he continues to go along with what the wts tell him, although he doesn't go to the meetings, coz he's stressed and not strong enough, mentally.. but there are some things that really annoy me, like the way he watches a tv programme where an animal is being killed, and he says something like 'oh, isn't that awful', and i think 'what about armageddon??????

  ' '5000000000000000000000 times worse!!!!!'..

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  Thanks everyone for your replys.

  I was speaking with my mum last night about my dad and she told me that, thinking about it, my dad had never really shown her any love or compliments.

  I think it is because he was brought up a JW, and the only compliment you get from JW parents is when you do something well concerning JWs.

  So I suppose the only real confidence he has ever had has come from knowing the 'truth'. It's the be all and end all.

  I think the only self-esteem he has (and it's very little, I think) comes from knowing the 'truth', I think if he loses that, he'll feel completely worthless.

  I seem to understand better what's going on than he does, he, of cousre, thinks it all our fault, that we're being influenced by Satan etc.

  I just feel that my childhood (and my brother's) were messed up from actually being JWs, and I don't want my little brother to end up feeling how I feel today.

  I know we should try and love him, but he should try and love us, and he doesn't, I know the only time he'll truly love us is if we tell him we all wanna go back to the meetings, and that is NEVER going to happen.

  I can't love him when I think about the damage he has caused and is causing my mum and my little brother.

  He has had counselling and medication, anti-depressants and beta blockers.

  They helped phsically but not mentally, because he knows the problem is that he should be active, but his family are never going to be.

  Claudia, my mum left because she had questions that were never answered, u know the type of questions!!!

  Thanks again for replying,

  Love

  Chris

  "Out, but still being devestated by the WTS...."
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  JE-HOVIS WITNESSES

  by JW72 in

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  hi everyone, sorry about the title, got your attention though!!.....

  my dad is the only jw in my family, i'm not, my 2 brothers aren't and neither is my mum.. my mum was until me and my older brother were about 6 & 7.. me and my brother were until we were 15 & 16.. my little brother was briefly, but escaped in 'the nick of time'.. life is very tough in my house, with my dad stomping around the house, making everyone feel guilty and uncomfortable with every little thing that we do.. we are just trying to get on like a normal family, and all he can do is say negative things about everything we do.. it is impossible to live with him, we have all come to agree.. we have shown him all the evidence we have to show him jw is a cult but he continues to go along with what the wts tell him, although he doesn't go to the meetings, coz he's stressed and not strong enough, mentally.. but there are some things that really annoy me, like the way he watches a tv programme where an animal is being killed, and he says something like 'oh, isn't that awful', and i think 'what about armageddon??????

  ' '5000000000000000000000 times worse!!!!!'..

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  Hi thirdson, My dad has had depression in the past and I think he may be getting it again. We have all tried to help him, but he is ADAMENT that the 'thruth' is the truth. All of us are very open with our mum and we discuss everything. There is one brother who visits now and again to deliver the mags. and a quick chat.
  I'm sure u can appreciate a family can't lead a 'normal, happy' life when the 'dad' is a JW.

  I was living away from home, but I moved back in order to 'protect' my little brother, my dad's not violent but he is 'damaging'.

  Love

  Chris