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  A brother at my wife's congregation wants to study the Bible Teach book...

  by garyneal in

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  ... he apparently has wanted to do so for a while now.

  i agreed to meet with him this tuesday night at 6:00 p.m. edt.

  he asked me to pick the chapter where i wanted to start.. hmmmmm... where shall i start?

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  I don't understand how they can just skim over Jesus refusing to obey the Sabbath laws to care for a person.. that sets a clear precedent right there. Aren't we supposed to follow by Jesus example? So the excuse "Well Jesus can do anything he wants" is not a valid one. Jesus was here to set an example, and his example was that it is wrong to sacrifice life for law.

  I guess the more you push, the more he will defend, even up to a ridiculous point and then all you can do is feel sorry for the man and continue on..
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  Why So Many Young People Are Leaving The Watchtower

  by Jeremy C in

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  i have been giving a lot of thought to the young people who are leaving the watchtower organization in recent years.

  last night, i was reading the thread posted by jwfacts a while back in which he provided some statistics and graphs showing the rapidly declining growth in the watchtower.

  one factor that was discussed at length was the high number of young people who do not stay in the organization.

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  Not only is there nothing offered to children, anything offered from somewhere else (school, neighbors, sports) is strictly forbidden. It gets worse when you get into your teens.. there is no way to 'sow your wild oats', there is no way to develop your sexuality in a normal and healthy way, there is no way to challenge authority and to learn from making mistakes. Being a JW teen is like being a drunk elephant balancing on a tightrope in a porcelain store.. you're bound to fail.
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  Wouldn't the predators on the ark have eaten everything by the time the 40 days was over?

  by highdose in

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  2. beliefs

  let say noah did manage to get all the species into the ark... about half of them would have been predators and the other half natural prey.. are we going to belive that they went without eating for 40 days and nights?

  or the ridiculous theory as the wt would have it that noah fed them nice tasty bales of straw which they happily munched on?.

  and even if one of these two exhuses were true, when the animals were let out of the ark into a world now deverstated by a flood, then wouldn't they have continued eating eachother???

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  It's a miracle.. you can't explain a miracle with science.. stop thinking about it, just file the story under the fiction category.
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  What is the average cost to build a new Kingdom Hall

  by jworld in

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  2. beliefs

  i was recently told that the average cost to build a new kingdom hall in the united states rural midwest region was $250,000.

  i was shocked to say the least.

  i remember when my childhood congregation built a new hall in 1989 for $60,000.

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  When my cong wanted to rebuild their KH for 400K euros, Bethel was not pleased. The design had to be simplified down to 280K euros. We obeyed. We built it on the same land as the old hall, so no cost in acquiring land.

  Another cong made plans to rebuild their KH for 900K euros. They had the money from selling the land of their old KH and had to buy a certain piece of relocated land somewhere else, ordered by city hall. Bethel was not pleased. The cong went through with it, and Bethel told them that they would not send a brother for the initiation of the hall. This cong was already known as the black sheep cong at Bethel and is often supplied with special pioneers and a higher frequency of CO visits than normal to straighten out the dubbies there. Now the relations with Bethel are at an all time low. I was surprised that the BOE was not relieved after this whole affair.

  Often land prices can really drive up the cost of a hall, especially in western europe.
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  Another question, if I may...

  by AGuest in

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  and may you all have peace!

  this is another general question for the board and i ask your indulgence because i am trying to understand how others think.

  if there truly is no god/god... what is wrong with the existence of religion?

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  If there was an entire industry that makes products that do not work as advertised, and tells people they will die or even get eternally tortured if they don't buy it, it would not be accepted by society.
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  Why does an almighty god need to prove himself to mortal subjects???

  by highdose in

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  lets just suspend belief for a moment and assume that we do belive in god.. he supposed to be almighty but he feels the need to prove to his mortal creations that he alone has the right to rule.

  he decides to do this by allowing them to suffer unspeakably for centeries.

  then he sends his son to earth, so that his son can suffer unspeakably and die too.. his son dying is supposed to atone for the creations sins, but instead of calling it quits there, god allows them to continue suffering.

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  Because he's made up by bronze age goatherds with a spite.
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  Is the CD ROM WT library dangerous to our machines?

  by hamsterbait in

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  i noticed on the installation instructions:.

  "close all other programs, including antivirus programs.".

  i am not a computer whizzkid, but i have never installed software that told me to close antivirus.. what are they putting on our hard drives that they dont want us to know about?.

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  They won't.. look at what happened to Sony with the whole rootkit controversy. They WT lawyers are smart enough not to allow this.
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  Joliette leaves for New York Bethel tomorrow...ITS ON!!!!

  by Joliette in

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  ...well, kinda.. undercover apostate going to new york bethel for one week to just observe, but going veeeeerrry undercover.

  the (perverted) elder hosting the trip doesnt know that i'm an apostate, and the whole trip is gonna be a big front, but its still gonna be fun to just get away from milwaukee.

  look forward to meeting some of you guys that post on here.

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  Remember, denim is a satanic fabric, don't bring anything denim!
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  I read this on Facebook

  by jamiebowers in

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  http://www.silentlambs.org/rickbrown.htmsilentlambs alert!.

  please click on link for photo.

  i couldn't copy and paste it from the article below.. inmate photo, id#55989.

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  There is also the 2 witness rule that still applies.. most child molestation goes on without 2 witnesses, thereby allowing child molesting elders to serve as long as they don't get caught, even when the victim tells the body of elders about the abuse.
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  Stupid suggestion from Study Conductor

  by roxanesophia in

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  2. beliefs

  hi everyone, first i just want to say if it wasn't this forum, i'd be baptized!

  i haven't managed to successfully end my studies with a zealous jw.

  she uses everything against me to brainwash me into believing i need the org.

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  I also like the term "extremely casual".. can you say contradiction in terms? And even a polo shirt is not allowed when taking the tour.. weirdos.