They wont leave me alone, I have to express my true desires so they stay the f**k away. I know I can't disfellowshipped, but I know some that will shun me and already are doing so. I really dont care for them. (My two dubbie best friends, they aren't real friends) Regardless of what I do they (Elders) will still advise the congregation "[Name] is no longer an unbaptized publisher of the Good News" I just want to be completely out of it, I tried keeping quiet as a member of the "Conscious class" for more than a year, and I can no longer be a hypocrite like them.
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I'm only an unbaptized publisher, it's not like I'm going to be shunned by everyone. But i feel explaining my stance in a carried out conversation will be daunting. I may just write a letter asking to be removed as an unbaptized publisher with a quick explanation even though I don't have to, but it will let my mind rest.
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I'm sorry how my posts seem to get longer and longer, I'm a very descriptive and analytical person...
As you may know already I decided to no longer participate in field service or go to the meetings. I am completely done with this hypocritical cult which talks off both ends of the mouth. I told my mother my decision and not much can be done since I’m an adult and I’m really on my own in terms of my responsibilities. She just remains hopeful I will look past the enormous inconsistencies of “new light”. Anyway, she forwarded to the elders my wishes to no longer go to hall. Not much choice, she was badgered about where was I. This was a week ago. This week I didn’t attend either and they let my mother know they would be coming over to visit me after the meeting.
They arrived, I greeted them, not with my usual smile, I was mentally distraught as I didn’t know how to start, it was more of a limp handshake, with a poker face. They discussed that they were worried about what was going on. I was completely speechless as my mind was racing. I looked away staring blankly. They told me that I should open my heart to them because they are there to help (right, there to cleanse the sales meeting) I sighed. They asked what was bothering me once again. Cited a few scriptures, I agreed to read them. After a bit of talk from them and just nodding, looking away from my part. I just said, “How did they get to 1914?” One winced slightly, the other tried to explain it as a biblical calculation, let me know how 607BC was involved in that figuration.
I widened my eyes, slouched forward with my hand on my face. He asked me to get a paper to jot down the calculation, anyway it wasn’t of much use, as the other elder changed the topic slightly, causing a distraction. They mentioned how 587 BC was used by false religion, and that 607 was supported by science (Huh?) I stopped myself from rolling my eyes. In fact they told me apostates wrote fake Watchtowers, which may have made it online (I was going to refute that contradictions are found in the WT CD ROM, they were so eagerly explaining I couldn’t get a word in)
They asked if I had another bible that wasn’t the NWT, I did but in English (I’m in a Spanish congregation) It’s a New Living Translation. They asked me to lookup Revelation 12:3-5 read it, translate it for them. (Dragon who swept away 1/3 of the stars, standing in front of the woman about to give birth, the son would rule with an iron rod, was caught away by God) Later he asked me, who is that boy? I went to the NWT and reread it there. My mind was blank (I never paid full attention to Revelation, most confusing book in the bible.) After a bit of a pause I said “Jesus?” Just a guess, I had no idea.. The elder was shocked “Sorry that’s not the answer. You need study, pubtruth!” I let him know it was a guess, I admitted I was a failure when it comes to Revelation. “Don’t worry, were here to help. We’re not going to reprove you for that” (They must always show that they are not out to get you)
He agreed to sit down with me an explain what it all meant ( I looked up later, according to the WT, The mother is the organization [I knew that, I failed to think of it as that in that moment, I was under pressure] and the son was the kingdom.. OKAY Now I’m hella confused! ) After some vacillation I agreed. (I also think there is noo light on this as well..) They agreed they would set a date to see me again and explain that and other doubts (told me to write them down, which I did) which I may have. They asked me if I wanted to go out in service in the morning, I said “I needed time for myself” “Fine, take your time, but please make an effort to go to hall on Tuesday” “I’ll see”, limp handshake and they left happy thinking they might have gotten to me. They really haven’t. When the door shut I sighed out of relief. My brother (who isn’t a JW, left young) who was hearing everything in the adjacent room let out “Jesus Christ!”… My head was thumping with a migraine, dinner time was well gone, we talked more than an hour. Mom was coming with my dinner, I just shut my room door in her face. Threw myself in bed, my mind racing and I was feeling like I was going to pop a vein. My blood sugar plummeted I had not eaten, I was starting to shake, I got up angry around 3 hrs later (10pm), threw my briefcase against the closet door almost popping it out of its roller. I went, prepped for a shower. Heated up dinner in the microwave, and tried to relax. I prayed “If this really your truth keep me in, if not help me discount it as such”…
The more I researched, the more I find it that it can’t be the truth. I was awake all through sunrise. Researching topics like 1914, Beth-Sarim, Blood Doctrine, and Resurrection of Sodomites... Printing reference after reference. I’m having second thoughts about discussing my doubts with them It’s mentally exhausting, I seriously contemplated doing something drastic for quite some time after they left. Would it be smart to discuss with them or should I just give them word I no longer want to be an unbaptized publisher? I should just save myself from being labeled an apostate by not showing them all my research? Right now I’m leaning towards making a clean cut..
PS: My mother saw my research, she was up at 4am with me, she keeps her stance that it’s the truth, but we’re all imperfect men, I said alright but it can’t be led by the Holy Spirit with those contradictions [ref. to the generation teaching], she argues they are clarifications. But I let her know that to be a clarification (light getting brighter) it cannot directly conflict with what was thought to be true before [Anointed Generation, 1914 Generation, Wicked Generation and back to Anointed]… Simple she just didn’t want to accept that, even though the facts are right in her face! (Yet she is less and less badgering me about the “Truth”) Hopefully I have planted a seed…
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OMG!!! My mother is going to the assembly again this weekend!!!
by scooterspank inas if the last one didn't cause enough trauma (you would have to read my old posts)...really, you can sit through that shit twice???
i was having a good week, thought i was finally over the last sunday she got home.
i guess my only answer at this point, for my own sanity and happiness, is to avoid her.
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How can some JWs do that?! They're really f**k'd in the head..
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by MrFreeze ini try to make people happy.
sometimes its to my detriment.
above all i'd like nothing more than to make my family happy.
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I can relate to this situation, now that I'm losing JW friends and the continual withdrawal of approval from my mother, as I stand firmly with my facts about the organization I was born in to. Its hard looking at my mother posing a now fake grin trying to fake happiness for me when she in fact dreads the day I'll die in "Armageddon".. Try your best to wake her up, like I'm trying with mine, even though mines still doesn't like what I've decided in life, shes starting to realize nothing can be done to change my position, and slowly starting to accept it. (Listening to what I say as well, even though her mind trips back into JW thinking shortly after)
Remember, it's your life, be happy, and it's not being selfish, it's simply survival. (quoting a post i had read some time back)
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Yes, he was facebooking on his phone during the meeting.. Not as faithful as he would seem
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Thankfully I have quite the circle of friends not brainwashed. Ive noticed for a long time now they are worth a lot more than what Ive found in the cult. I was notified by my mother that she had let them know I dont want to attend meetings anymore. Elders want to speak with me. I don't want to talk to them, I know what they will say. It's all crap
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Right now, I’m “supposed” to be at hall. I’m obviously not since I’m writing down this post. I just cannot handle it anymore and I broke my significant ties with the organization. Allow me to explain how the pressure amounted in such a way I blew up, publicly denounced the WT over facebook, and lost a few “friends”..
Refer to my older post so you may have some background knowledge:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/210889/1/Saving-myself-from-getting-dunked-how-did-I-get-here
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/211135/1/JWs-just-love-gore-and-death-They-cant-wait-for-ArmaggeddonI was having a scientific discussion with a good Jehovah’s Witness friend, with such knowledge he had I thought he was just conscious but bluffing his way along because his father is an elder. Boy was I wrong, he speaks in a convincing manner, but spelling was never his forte. As we went deeper into a long drawn out conversation over facebook, the JW cockiness was overwhelming... A few snippets:
** DO NOTE HOW HE BLURTS OUT HIS IMMORTALITY, the conversation was nothing about that, comments in parentheses**
Him: ttyl, I will forever believe that my logic/problem sloving skills are unsupassed, and.. idk preach, i guess or work
Me: unsurpassed? alright XD just saying, if you wanted to come over and play some video games
H: I find that highly unlikely, and obviously there are people who surpass me, but i like to believe im in the top 15% percent (I don’t doubt his motives to not go might’ve been rumors that I’m gay which are true, and that I find the WT lacking, also COCKY)
M: what do u find highly unlikely? (I didn’t catch on right away)
H: I'm imortal Kay ß (IRRELEVANT)
going to your house lol[…]
M: how are you immortal?
H: have you read the bible? Kinda explains it there.
M: God’s the ultimate judge of that. We will see then.H: yep […] we're puplishing monsters 48 milion copys, AARP 23 million (that simple fact makes it the truth™)
M: yeah I know, #1 circulated (recycled) magazine.
[ The convo continued, I inquired about why he mentioned immortality, as it didn’t fit in the conversation, he let me know it was an Internet meme reference (I googled, sure enough, but slightly obscure, might’ve lied).. He Talked to me about girls, I didn’t think any of it, was probably probing, I played along. Anyway the relevant conversation to this thread continues ]
M: science is my forte in that i understand whats being explained to me quite easily, not that i retain all what i learn about it. But I have a general concept of how everything works. with all u know im surprised you're not an atheist
H: why science is nothing more than the explaination of gods creation, the more I learn the more I believe
M: Yeah the creation is amazing, everything links back in one way or another. I was just asking, since most scientists I know [about] are atheists
H: I have a theory that explains how god can exist infinetly , but itself too long to type. its based on the laws of consrvation of matter and energy
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H: oh, law of consevation of energy. and relativity allow for a form of infinet existence get it, or do i go in to detail?
H: okay, since engergy can not be created or destroyd, then it stands to reason that all the engergy there is has always exsited. following? ok according to relativity, matter can become energy and energy become matter as we know the bible describe god as having an "activity force" aka energy. (run on but try to make it out)
M: Yes.
H: any flaus? ?? *flaws
M: I dont see any. these are logical conclusions (to him to validate God)… have you read the whole bible?
H: no, but we can obviously conclude that the source of energy that was used to create the univser had existed infinetly. Why do you ask? ???
M: I agree with that, a source of energy exists infinitely created the multiverse and boom here we are. I'm just wondering, if you had. It's obviously an interesting read. You get to read more context of it than what is usually cited
H: what do you think about the big hang?
*bang
M: We will most likely never know what EXACTLY happened. But it makes sense, and there's proof that certain species did evolve, theres also evidence that the world is older than 6000 years. Science is probably wrong in dating. It’s a big what if. (He agreed the earth is more than 4 billion years old, If he really does, I don’t know how he can agree with bible/WT chronology)
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THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE
We talked how a propellant for the big bang was necessary ( no effect without a cause ) There was proof of it with the WMAP showing signs of expansion. The origin would be hard to explain, we were not there, and we won’t be able to be there to see it.
“H: if nothing other existed and no new variable/propelent was added, then it could not have happened. the origin of they univers was an effect. what was the cause? a decision made by god ”
Everything has some sort of energy, atoms are constantly moving, vibrating in place, some elements decay, contained long enough, it could cause a "mini big bang". Making it plausible.
“obviously not, the big bang theory was rule out a while back and will most likely be replaced with M theory, and in the source of the big bang had existed infinetly before the bang, their are no variables that could have made it give, so the big bang would have been an effect with out a cause, which is why is will be replaced with the new theories”
To my understanding M theory is not even complete, theres not much to go on and doesn’t explain much at all.
[The conversation spilled on to hall, he was messaging me from hall, he runs audio, so no one sees him with the phone, I had obviously missed. We kept talking about how the universe expands]
He told me infinity could not expand.. (yes it can, it has infinite space! Objects can distance themselves as far as they want)
“haha its okay an infinet amount of space is hard to understand for most people, I'm not surprised”
M: Don't undermine me. K?
H: you must not undermind yourself first.
M: What do you mean I'm underminding myself? You should be paying attention in hall..
It's "undermining". I'm not undermining myself. I'm being LOGICAL about things. That is, using facts to formulate opinions that make sense.
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M: you are too! (using theories) but ive added facts, i already told you the expansion is measurable, and theres evidence of the possibility. You pulled out M-theory, an incomplete science, and you aren't thinking objectively. You didn't prove anything to me.
THE GOOD PART
H: acctualy I got the infomation I wanted, I wasn trying to prove something I had though, I put you to the test and you failed, I know what I wanted to know now.
M: You think I care that i "failed" your test? What exactly did you want to know?
H: you dont believe in good, why did you even want to get batized....
M: *God. I was being pressured. I backed out when the elders counseled me, it was my chance and I had an excuse. (Blatantly honest, I didn’t care at all now)
M: You're probably going to shun me now. I tried hard to believe, but the evidence against God, and all mythology, religions, etc is too much.
H: have fun looking forward to death, because now thats all you have to believe in
M: a loving god that will lovingly destroy more than half the world over because we didn't get in a certain group. 7 million (at recent count) will get saved on to live forever, get tested like guinea pigs, fried for good if they fail. I don’t know how you can believe that innocent babies, senile old people will get killed. JWs have been saying that is around the corner since 1914. Google, the thing you love so much can be JW's worst enemy. They hate the internet because you can dig up so many things about it on there. The bible is just a work of literature, you could take any similar book and believe in it as you do the bible (eg. the Quran) I don't discredit the bible, it has good values. But people have the wrong notion guiding their entire lives around it. Not just JWs, but all religions if you search them on google you can find disturbing facts about.
H: there will be a reserction of both just & injust, so everyone That didnt get a chance to learn about god will come back this includes the babies ect.
M: Not at Armageddon will they survive, like the WT says.
[We spoke about the Flood how the plants would rot and would die, the land would be barren, he countered that the seeds remain (they would be submerged in salt water, hindering germination, and rotting) Also we discussed evolution, he admits it happened but tried to clean up afterwards by saying the animals “adapted” not evolved]
H: no, the bible say they were created by "genero" not "espece" the original animals in eden had a prefect dna code, with in it many species (Perfect? They were “created” to die off, that’s not perfect to your standards)
M: if they bred, and created species, they evolved dude lol
H: adaptation over time is not evoltion, obviously surving qualitys are passed down. but its still the same animal even darwin believed in god so did einstine (whos that? HAHA) and I'm sure he was smarter than you. Ttyl
Subsequently he blocked me. I let him know through a text message that good friends reason with each other. I agree theres a force out there that keeps us in check (but it certainly isn’t “Jehovah”).. He didn’t ever reply. Part II will be less lengthy, I promise. But I’ve mentally and physically have left.
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Of the following, the one thing which is true of my present organization is...
by pubtruth ini couldn't help but smirk when i saw this question on a job application.. all of this applies in some aspect or another to the watchtower... .
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I couldn't help but smirk when I saw this question on a job application.. All of this applies in some aspect or another to the Watchtower..
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Little Do Non-JWS know but that is God's plan: Destroy the governments and put jws in charge
by blondie inhere is a tidbit from our convention here in amarillo .
this is not a. spoiler.
the item was included in our closing talk and related to the entire.
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Typical JW feel good story.. SMH
Not gonna lie, they have great organization skills, as a corporation
