Just thought about how JWs say Kingdom Halls will pass onto "Paradise".. Right theres a wee problem.. Everything but "Jehovah's people" and houses will be destroyed. There would be no power plants. Kingdom Halls, most of them are windowless. Better start drilling some breathing holes!
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Imagine this!
by pubtruth injust thought about how jws say kingdom halls will pass onto "paradise".. right theres a wee problem.. everything but "jehovah's people" and houses will be destroyed.
there would be no power plants.
kingdom halls, most of them are windowless.
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I Did a Stupid Thing Recently
by 30 years out infacebook has been a valuable tool for finding old friends and catching up on years lost making a living and pursuing our own visions of happiness.
in one of my less inspired moments i decided to look up an old witness friend and roommate from my days in the church.
he had never impressed me as being particularly strong in the faith so i was truly interested to find out what he had been up to for nearly 30 years and if he was still "in".. i located him through his sister's fb page and sent a message to his account stating who i was and that i would be very interested in hearing from him and catching up.
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He probably just blocked you actually. When someone blocks you, facebook removes every single reference of the person for you like if he had deleted their profile. It has happened to like 4 of my witless "friends". Found out their pages were still active looking them up on a friends account.
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Elders came to visit...
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I shall look into that movie, skeeter1
I dont feel like talking to anyone anymore, but if I feel so inclined, I will do just that, speak to ONLY ONE elder. I was called a few hours ago by one of the elders who visited, I didnt answer, he rang again, did the same. I checked the voicemail and he "wanted to ask a question" I poured my thoughts onto a 4 page letter, which goes from when i first gleam of doubt when i saw how my mother was being treated when she was DF'd for smoking. all the way down to my research, down to no longer desiring to be a publisher, no more contact unless it's completely unrelated to religion. I'm keeping the letter for sometime to prevent it from being an thing of impulse, made a copy, and sealed the original in an envelope. I'm probably never going to share it, but I feel better already just writing my angst down. I researched the JWs up and down, I've been undercover for years, I've dealt with JC's w/ my mom, very nasty and untheocratic. They can't change my mind, the evidence is overwhelming.
moshe: I feel on the outer flanks of agnosticism, im almost at atheism.
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Elders came to visit...
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They wont leave me alone, I have to express my true desires so they stay the f**k away. I know I can't disfellowshipped, but I know some that will shun me and already are doing so. I really dont care for them. (My two dubbie best friends, they aren't real friends) Regardless of what I do they (Elders) will still advise the congregation "[Name] is no longer an unbaptized publisher of the Good News" I just want to be completely out of it, I tried keeping quiet as a member of the "Conscious class" for more than a year, and I can no longer be a hypocrite like them.
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Elders came to visit...
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I'm only an unbaptized publisher, it's not like I'm going to be shunned by everyone. But i feel explaining my stance in a carried out conversation will be daunting. I may just write a letter asking to be removed as an unbaptized publisher with a quick explanation even though I don't have to, but it will let my mind rest.
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Elders came to visit...
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I'm sorry how my posts seem to get longer and longer, I'm a very descriptive and analytical person...
As you may know already I decided to no longer participate in field service or go to the meetings. I am completely done with this hypocritical cult which talks off both ends of the mouth. I told my mother my decision and not much can be done since I’m an adult and I’m really on my own in terms of my responsibilities. She just remains hopeful I will look past the enormous inconsistencies of “new light”. Anyway, she forwarded to the elders my wishes to no longer go to hall. Not much choice, she was badgered about where was I. This was a week ago. This week I didn’t attend either and they let my mother know they would be coming over to visit me after the meeting.
They arrived, I greeted them, not with my usual smile, I was mentally distraught as I didn’t know how to start, it was more of a limp handshake, with a poker face. They discussed that they were worried about what was going on. I was completely speechless as my mind was racing. I looked away staring blankly. They told me that I should open my heart to them because they are there to help (right, there to cleanse the sales meeting) I sighed. They asked what was bothering me once again. Cited a few scriptures, I agreed to read them. After a bit of talk from them and just nodding, looking away from my part. I just said, “How did they get to 1914?” One winced slightly, the other tried to explain it as a biblical calculation, let me know how 607BC was involved in that figuration.
I widened my eyes, slouched forward with my hand on my face. He asked me to get a paper to jot down the calculation, anyway it wasn’t of much use, as the other elder changed the topic slightly, causing a distraction. They mentioned how 587 BC was used by false religion, and that 607 was supported by science (Huh?) I stopped myself from rolling my eyes. In fact they told me apostates wrote fake Watchtowers, which may have made it online (I was going to refute that contradictions are found in the WT CD ROM, they were so eagerly explaining I couldn’t get a word in)
They asked if I had another bible that wasn’t the NWT, I did but in English (I’m in a Spanish congregation) It’s a New Living Translation. They asked me to lookup Revelation 12:3-5 read it, translate it for them. (Dragon who swept away 1/3 of the stars, standing in front of the woman about to give birth, the son would rule with an iron rod, was caught away by God) Later he asked me, who is that boy? I went to the NWT and reread it there. My mind was blank (I never paid full attention to Revelation, most confusing book in the bible.) After a bit of a pause I said “Jesus?” Just a guess, I had no idea.. The elder was shocked “Sorry that’s not the answer. You need study, pubtruth!” I let him know it was a guess, I admitted I was a failure when it comes to Revelation. “Don’t worry, were here to help. We’re not going to reprove you for that” (They must always show that they are not out to get you)
He agreed to sit down with me an explain what it all meant ( I looked up later, according to the WT, The mother is the organization [I knew that, I failed to think of it as that in that moment, I was under pressure] and the son was the kingdom.. OKAY Now I’m hella confused! ) After some vacillation I agreed. (I also think there is noo light on this as well..) They agreed they would set a date to see me again and explain that and other doubts (told me to write them down, which I did) which I may have. They asked me if I wanted to go out in service in the morning, I said “I needed time for myself” “Fine, take your time, but please make an effort to go to hall on Tuesday” “I’ll see”, limp handshake and they left happy thinking they might have gotten to me. They really haven’t. When the door shut I sighed out of relief. My brother (who isn’t a JW, left young) who was hearing everything in the adjacent room let out “Jesus Christ!”… My head was thumping with a migraine, dinner time was well gone, we talked more than an hour. Mom was coming with my dinner, I just shut my room door in her face. Threw myself in bed, my mind racing and I was feeling like I was going to pop a vein. My blood sugar plummeted I had not eaten, I was starting to shake, I got up angry around 3 hrs later (10pm), threw my briefcase against the closet door almost popping it out of its roller. I went, prepped for a shower. Heated up dinner in the microwave, and tried to relax. I prayed “If this really your truth keep me in, if not help me discount it as such”…
The more I researched, the more I find it that it can’t be the truth. I was awake all through sunrise. Researching topics like 1914, Beth-Sarim, Blood Doctrine, and Resurrection of Sodomites... Printing reference after reference. I’m having second thoughts about discussing my doubts with them It’s mentally exhausting, I seriously contemplated doing something drastic for quite some time after they left. Would it be smart to discuss with them or should I just give them word I no longer want to be an unbaptized publisher? I should just save myself from being labeled an apostate by not showing them all my research? Right now I’m leaning towards making a clean cut..
PS: My mother saw my research, she was up at 4am with me, she keeps her stance that it’s the truth, but we’re all imperfect men, I said alright but it can’t be led by the Holy Spirit with those contradictions [ref. to the generation teaching], she argues they are clarifications. But I let her know that to be a clarification (light getting brighter) it cannot directly conflict with what was thought to be true before [Anointed Generation, 1914 Generation, Wicked Generation and back to Anointed]… Simple she just didn’t want to accept that, even though the facts are right in her face! (Yet she is less and less badgering me about the “Truth”) Hopefully I have planted a seed…
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OMG!!! My mother is going to the assembly again this weekend!!!
by scooterspank inas if the last one didn't cause enough trauma (you would have to read my old posts)...really, you can sit through that shit twice???
i was having a good week, thought i was finally over the last sunday she got home.
i guess my only answer at this point, for my own sanity and happiness, is to avoid her.
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How can some JWs do that?! They're really f**k'd in the head..
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I'll always be a failure
by MrFreeze ini try to make people happy.
sometimes its to my detriment.
above all i'd like nothing more than to make my family happy.
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I can relate to this situation, now that I'm losing JW friends and the continual withdrawal of approval from my mother, as I stand firmly with my facts about the organization I was born in to. Its hard looking at my mother posing a now fake grin trying to fake happiness for me when she in fact dreads the day I'll die in "Armageddon".. Try your best to wake her up, like I'm trying with mine, even though mines still doesn't like what I've decided in life, shes starting to realize nothing can be done to change my position, and slowly starting to accept it. (Listening to what I say as well, even though her mind trips back into JW thinking shortly after)
Remember, it's your life, be happy, and it's not being selfish, it's simply survival. (quoting a post i had read some time back)
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Going out with a bang..
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Yes, he was facebooking on his phone during the meeting.. Not as faithful as he would seem
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Going out with a bang..
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Thankfully I have quite the circle of friends not brainwashed. Ive noticed for a long time now they are worth a lot more than what Ive found in the cult. I was notified by my mother that she had let them know I dont want to attend meetings anymore. Elders want to speak with me. I don't want to talk to them, I know what they will say. It's all crap