Posts by ABibleStudent

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Returning to jwn

by chellechellereturns in

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friends

i used to be a member both here and jwd before but have been absent for many years.

i was known as chellechelle before.

ugh life has changed a lot in those years.

Welcome back chellechellereturns, I'm sorry that your JW family is being so manipulative. For your son's emotional well-being I hope that you are able to establish boundaries that your JW family will honor like no preaching to your son or reading WTBTS propaganda to him.

If you are unable to reach an agreement with your JW family that protects your son's and your human rights, I would recommend that you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visit his website www.freedomofmind.com, and/or watching his videos on his website.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Finished Crisis of Conscience Recently

by wallievase in

well i finally got around to finishing crisis of conscience.

2 things stood out to me most.. 1. the fact that the gb can question beliefs and noone else can.. 2. strangly the most disturbing fact- its a small one- but actually made the biggest impression on me out of the whole book-.

the fact that they agreed to send him a copy of his meeting tapes and then refused and admitted in writing that they lied.. obviously there was much more that i got from it and i do find franz situation unique in that he had a whole support system outside of the "truth" and most today including myself have nothing- if i leave my wife hates me, my family wont talk to me, etc- it doesnt provide any solution for that scenario.. any thoughts on the above points- let me know.

ABibleStudent

Hi wallievase, I don't feel that Raymond Franz was trying to provide others with solutions to leaving the WTBTS when he wrote "Crisis of Conscience". I feel like he was the child in the crowd shouting that the Emperor is not wearing any clothes.

If you are looking for solutions to your situation, I would recommend that you read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and/or (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults or Beliefs"), visit his website www.freedomofmind.com, or watch his videos on his website. Another inexpensive option is venting in threads on JWN, reading old JWN threads, and asking for advice to specific questions from JWN members. If you are financially secure, I would highly recommend talking with a competent cult-exit counselor to help you and your family.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Even my mom knew about JW's and 1977!!... wait... what??

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

and my mom said, "yeah, like those brothers who thought... that... 1977... was the end of the world...".

mom: "yeah... those who believed that last year was the end of the world".

i mean, how stupid is it to have a rock tell them when the end of the world is!!

ABibleStudent

HI ILoveTTATT, Your Bible study with your mother sounds promising since she brought up a failed prophecy. Next time you might ask your mother who those brothers were, what happened to those discredited brothers, and/or ask her if she has researched other brothers making similar mistakes without mentioning 1878, 1914, and 1925. You might even suggest that she uses google or wikipedia to help her do research. She might discover that the WTBTS continued to revere those brothers (i.e., Russell, Rutheford, Freddie Franz).

Please continue to post your Bible study experiences with your mother. I would be curious to read about any comments she might have about 2 Cor 3.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I went from door to door AND to the convention site last week!

by Anony Mous in

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last week i went from door to door, i actually got suggested to go to this territory.

my daughter was with me as well, she is used to going from door-to-door with her mother i suppose so i got her into a dress, got dressed up myself, told her about a simple introduction to use and how to politely go away from someone's door.

i got some really great responses!

ABibleStudent

Keep up the great reverse witnessing Anony Mous with your daugther. Halloween has got to beat going to a KH for your daughter.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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"NEW LIGHT" FOR 2014? WHAT'S YOUR PREDICTION FOR 2014'S NEW AND IMPROVED LIGHT?

by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

hi, i am reading a book on mind control and one of the areas the author stresses group control is their constant revision of "new insight from god" or "we have a new message from god".

in keeping with the spirit of new light, 2014 is going to need a moral boost because one hundred years of lies needs a spin doctor of bethel size.

the poster with the close new light for 2014 will be showered with glory and much pomp.

ABibleStudent

Follow anything and everything that the GB requests. Donate blank checks and credit card slips and the GB will fill in the amount for you.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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if only it were this easy to spot a cult

by chickpea in

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ABibleStudent

To me the easiest way to spot a dangerous cult/dangerous organization is when the image/welfare of the organization is more important than protecting individuals and their human rights, the organization promotes shunning former members and not associating with non-members, and/or the organization promotes that members blindly follow the organization/leaders without members critically thinking for themselves.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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My friends visitation is tonight all of her JW family will be there

by troubled mind in

today i need some encouraging support ..i will be attending my friends funeral visitation tonight .. we had been jws together since childhood ,and then three yrs ago she was dfd .

we have supported each other these past few yrs with encouragement .she comes from a huge jw family, and they all plan on attending tonight.

i have known them all my life ,and they hate me for leaving the cult.

ABibleStudent

I'm sorry for your loss troubled mind. If it will not be a JW funeral, is there something that you can say about your friend to celebrate her life. It might make you feel better. Besides celebrating her life is a lot better than promoting the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Tango in the Kingdom Hall!

by Atlantis in

2013 tango lessons in the kingdom hall in argentina after the special assembly with representatives of the watchtower society learning to tango..... ..petra

ABibleStudent

Tango when done properly is a lot closer - no light between bodies.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Which people in here (or apostate) would you like to actually meet in person?

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i would like to meet so many people!

actually hang out with them and see if we get along after meeting in person!.

here's my list:.

ABibleStudent

How about planning a massive New Years party outside WTBTS headquarters in (hopefully Brooklyn) New York to celebrate 2014 or 2015? Invite non-JWS, ex-JWs, and JWs. I love Manhattan, so I would go.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Help! I need to weigh my options

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

so... i should have commented on the thread on dating a fader.. i am a fader, and my girlfriend is just... she doesn't care much for jw's... she wants to be with me, and while we are together we ignore all jw rules.

last night, for example, we celebrated halloween.. there's a problem, though, and i need your help.. again, i will explain the cities:.

city a: where my parents (and now i) live.

ABibleStudent

HI ILoveTTATT, Has your GF read Steve Hassan's book "Combatting Cult Mind Control" (or his other books)? If she has and you talk about how she feels about what Steve Hassan wrote, she will be less likely to be a JW. I cannot imagine any woman preferring being a good JW wife versus being an individual who critically thinks for themself.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert