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  They don't know what to do....

  by pbrow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have been going to a few meetings to support my kids that have to go with their mother.

  i knew it would be a powerful lesson for them to see how these loving people treat their father who da'd a while ago.

  couple of elders tried to corner me the 2nd or 3rd time i went to remind me that i cant talk to anyone.... i however reminded them that i am not df'd and i can talk to whomever i want to.

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  ABibleStudent

  Congratulations pbrow!! Teach your kids how to critically think for themselves by confounding and confusing the elders by example.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Should Government Dictate To Religious Organizations What They Must Do If It Violates The Beliefs Of The Religion?

  by minimus in

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  if the catholic church doesn't want to support abortions in any way, i don't think she should be penalized by the government.. your thoughts?

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  ABibleStudent

  minimus - Do JWs recieve government funding?

  It depends on the country. In the USA government does provide funding for medical treatment for poor people. Also, donors can deduct their donations to religious organizations from their taxes, which is a form of government funding of religions.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Life for me as a jw (not really) teenager

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey i joined this thread recently and thought this was a good way to introduce myself.

  i am 15, still going to school and i live in the uk.

  a good chunk of my mum's side of the family are jws.

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  ABibleStudent

  Welcome DuvanMuvan, Your Mum sounds very "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) to have married a non-JW and to give you so much latitude. You are very lucky.

  I wonder if your Mum is just trying to placate her JW parents and/or family. Is your Mum baptized?

  If you don't want to be a JW, just ask your Mum to help prove WTBTS doctrine that you are having trouble with using the Bible. Ask lots of questions of your Mum in an innocent way using information from www.jwfacts.com and/or asking for help from JWN members, and don't talk until your mother answers the last question asked. If you want to learn more about how to talk with a person who has been indoctrinated by BITE control techniques, please watch the following video: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Part 3, The Girl in the Coffee Shop.

  by quellycatface in

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  2. friends

  she was there again this morning, i saw her as i walked past.

  with the same sister, doing a study.. "you can lead a horse to water" etc......

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi quellycatface, The important thing to remember is that you cared enough to help her. What she does with the information that you gave her is her choice.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  ALL JW's to be at the meeting this week...

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. beliefs

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  we asked this person if it could be aqbout the terminology change and they said that was already read last week...... we remember the last time they did this.

  got everyone all excited thinking the big "a" was coming and all it was about, was the literature would now be donated instead of charging for it.. .

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  My guesses: Distributing flyers to direct people to www.jw.org, discontinueing printing of the simple editions of the Watchtower/Awake!, donate more, and/or asking for more volunteers to help build the new HQ because the end is soooo sooon.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  The reports of my apostasy have been greatly exaggerated

  by sparrowdown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since finding the meetings too morally repugnant to attend (coupla months now) i have.

  been reaquainting myself with the joys of sat morn's at home.. imagine my disappointment to find the group study overseer and his wife pulling up out front.

  the thought bubble over my head read "oh poo, poo and double poo!!".

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  Welcome sparrowdown, It is better to critically think for yourself instead of being fooled into slaving for the WTBTS. Hopefully, your wife will start to critically think for herself one day and thank you for being such a deep thinker.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  "Worldly" Friends vs "True" Friends

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey guys i am new to the whole forum thing (long time reader, first time postererer) and i wanted to get some other opinions on something that has bothered me ever since i first became a jehovah's witness.. i was always taught at the kingdom hall that friends inside the orginisation were the only ones i could count on and that the ones out of it (mainly at school) were just being controlled by satan to trick me into leaving the religion.. however, i always found it to be the opposite.

  my "worldly"friends were all accepting of my religion (back when i was ok with being a jw) and are the only ones i have really opened up to about wanting to leave.

  the only things i have in common with the other teenagers in my hall (3 boys, 3 girls) are that we've all been raised in the truth and... well that's it.. i was just wondering if anyone else found the same thing when they were a teenaged jw or if anyone still in my age finds the same thing..

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  ABibleStudent

  Welcome DuvanMuvan, Are you still living at home? What are your plans to become financially self-sufficient to reduce being pressured to get dunked? As long as you don't get dunked, your family may not shun you in the future - NO gaurantees though.

  Although JWfacts is an awesome website about the WTBTS, you may want to visit www.freedomofmind.com to help you learn how to communicate better with JWs so that you can avoid being shunned. Reading Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website, and/or watching his videos, should help you communicate better with JWs' authentic personas to minimize the possibility of being shunned by JW relatives and friends.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert.
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  An Anti-Witnessing Campaign, Please Join Me!

  by What Now? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past few weeks, the shunning issue has become a very personal one for me, and i have begun to realize that it is not just enough for me and my family to fade out.

  after some recent events, i am motivated to start some anti-watchtower activism of my own.. i, like many others, have hoped that there would be a scandal of epic proportions within the organization, something that would wake others up and trigger a mass exodus.. while i am still hopeful that this may happen, it seems that the organization is too good at damage control, and heightening the paranoia surrounding apostates.. but what if the ex-witness community tried a different approach?.

  what if, to borrow a hockey term, a sort of shut out situation was created?.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi What Now?, Most non-JWs think that the Watchtower is a kooky religion and should be avoided. Until you can show non-JWs that the WTBTS is a dangerous cult that victimizes JWs, and that under the right circumstances they could be indoctrinated into WTBTS (or another dangerous cult), non-JWs don't care.

  If you want to improve your chances that householders will take action, IMHO the following flyer would be more effective:

  Do Jehovah's Witnesses annoy you by knocking on your door or leaving their propaganda at your home? Do you want to stop being annoyed at your home by them?
  
  Fill out the "Do Not Call" form at the bottom of this page and either politiely give it to Jehovah's Witnesses when they come to your home, mail it to the local Kingdom Hall, and/or phone the local Kingdom Hall and ask to be added to the "Do Not Call" list. Do not accept Watchtower and Awake! propaganda, because Jehovah's Witnesses will think that you are interested to learn more about their beliefs and will return to try to recruit you and your family.

  The Watchtower is a dangerous cult that deceives and victimizes Jehovah's Witnesses. I know this because I once was a Jehovah's Witness. If you would like to learn more why the Watchtower is a danerous cult, please visit reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.freedomofmind.com, etc.

  DO NOT CALL

  [Current Date] Jehovah's Witnesses [Address of closest congregation] Dear Sirs: This letter is to serve as formal notice that effective today you may not enter the property of [address]. This “No Trespass” notice will remain in effect until rescinded by me. Failure to comply with this notice may result in your arrest by police, citizen's arrest, and civil litigation, in which you will be named personally and as an organization. Furthermore, please do not contact me in any way.

  Please refer to the following.

  -[cite your state/local laws on trespassing here]

  -[cite your state/local laws on citizen's arrest]

  -Correspondence regarding trespassing from the Watchtower Society to you dated September 2004

  Sincerely,

  [signature]

  [printed name]

  Personally I feel that ex-JWs would be more effective in changing the WTBTS by writing to their political representatives, local news organizations, and other organizations that are politically active. Unfortunately it will take a lot of work, but the most effective way to change the WTBTS and other dangerous cults is to petition politicians to revise non-profit laws to add requirements that non-profit organizations must not promote discrimination, shunning, and hate speech; and/or report child abuse/molestation and rape to local law enforcement ASAP.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  How often do you see the Witnesses out on the ministry?

  by rory-ks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i only ask because i hardly ever see them out on the ministry.

  it is a very rare sighting to spot them actively engaged in the house to house ministry.

  or out on the street work, in the marketplace, etc.. the other reason i ask is because they are constantly pictured as being on the preaching work.

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  ABibleStudent

  I see JWs going D2D around Thanksgiving in Northern Virginia when I visit my brother and in Southern California around March/April about every year.

  Do you live in a rural area or metropolitan area? More JWs will probably go D2D in metropolitian areas, than in rural areas.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  How about a Lapel Badge ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tt a tt.

  i am sure you guys can come up with something better ?.

  sorry, i had a better design that didn't get copied across, maybe big j thinks its a bad idea, so he's messing with copy and paste today ?.

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  How about a ribbon with "I'm a survivor - www.jwfacts.com (or www.freedomofmind.com)"?

  It is better peak a person's curiosity so that they ask, "What did you survive?" instead of let the pin say it all.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert