if i wrote a letter of da to the congregation that only said i was da'ing with absolute zero reason.
how do you think theyd respond?
obviously an anouncement but im sure rumours would then start.
Hi Jon Preston, Would your wife shun you for no longer being a JW? If she would, then that is what would happen if you DA.
DON"T PLAY BY THE WTBTS's RULES. It would be much better for you to quietly fade.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i was just wondering.
say you were baptised and stopped going to the meetings, when the elders and people ask why can you just say you don't want to be a jw anymore without giving a reason?
i mean it's not like they can force it out of you and you aren't necessarily spreading lies or whatever they say apostates do.. if anything they'll have to keep talking to you to find an actual reason to df you so if you're literally as vague as possible then what basis do they have?
Hi DuvanMuvan, DON'T GET DUNKED!! If you get dunked, it will be easier for JWs to point the "Shun Gun" at you to make your life miserable.
Talk to a guidance counselor at your school and ask for help to determine your aptitudes you possess and to plan how to get an education/training for a good career and to get a job. If he does not understand your situation, ask him to visit www.freedomofmind.com and www.jwfacts.com to verify that you are trying to escape from a dangerous cult.
Your best excuse is you are too busy studying and working to attend meetings and go in FS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i think there has always been your average garden variety pioneer couples and mr and mrs cobe and back in the day these tended to be a little bit dorky the wife -homely, the husband -fatherly, they shopped at thrift stores and lived in someone elses garage.
but as competition for a slice of the power pie has ramped up over the years what we have now seems to be a whole new ball game.
does ultimate power lie with the men, the "family heads"?
Hi sparrowdown, About 2000 years ago a carpenter came to the same conclusion about the Jewish leaders as you have come to about the WTBTS's leaders. Fade from the WTBTS as soon as you can.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
True and False Prophets
Mt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
i stopped believing in god in july 2013. in the first 3 months or so i felt liberated and relieved that i can live my life anyway i wanted without worrying about an invisible being watching my every move.
i also felt slightly superior that i was able to figure out that god isn't real while the majority of mankind continued to be fooled.
atfer the feelings of excitment statrted to wear off, i started to become more depressed and empty.
Hi Space Madness, I'm glad that you are still participating on JWN.
Have you heard of the study that ice cream sales have a strong correlation to drowning deaths? From your description Durkheim's study seems to have been based on macro-data between countries instead of micro-data for the people committing suicides. I would ask your professor whether Durkheim's study took into consideration other variables and did more in-depth research for a few countries, such as:
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
when asked about his religion & belief, he would tell people that his family are jws, and he used to be one.
but still he is very much against christmas and birthdays.
he seems to have no issue with new year.
Hi UBM101, If you and your husband don't talk about and/or argue about the WTBTS, your husband's feelings can fester and cause future problems with your marriage. If your husband cannot talk about the WTBTS, at least ask him about his feelings without talking about the WTBTS.
peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so i found out last week that a coworker of mine has been studying with jehovah's witnesses.
i think she said she had been studying for a long time and has been to plenty of meetings.
her grandmother is a jw apparently.
Hi MrFreeze, Be kind and respectful to her and ask her if she feels that you will die in the Big A. If she says no, ask her why the WTBTS teaches that you will and JWs must blindly believe the same way. If she says yes, ask her if she can justify her beliefs using the Bible.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
many jws don't know the basic doctrines we all use to debate the clergy with.. .
jws don't know the bible, the know a few proof-texts but can't handle the bible like the witnesses of 1950s-1990s, what happened?.
the caliber of the new elders is horrible when compared with the elders of 1950s-1990s, they don't know how to use their bible, they are turning towards orgnazational minor details while ignoring the bible and gospel message.. .
I can only hope that soon it will turn into an avalanche of stupidity so that fewer non-JWs will be indoctrinated into the WTBTS.
Unfortunately, I have seen for myself that JWs prey on the most vunerable of society to gain new recruits with their love bombing.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
have been going to a few meetings to support my kids that have to go with their mother.
i knew it would be a powerful lesson for them to see how these loving people treat their father who da'd a while ago.
couple of elders tried to corner me the 2nd or 3rd time i went to remind me that i cant talk to anyone.... i however reminded them that i am not df'd and i can talk to whomever i want to.
Congratulations pbrow!! Teach your kids how to critically think for themselves by confounding and confusing the elders by example.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
if the catholic church doesn't want to support abortions in any way, i don't think she should be penalized by the government.. your thoughts?
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minimus - Do JWs recieve government funding?
It depends on the country. In the USA government does provide funding for medical treatment for poor people. Also, donors can deduct their donations to religious organizations from their taxes, which is a form of government funding of religions.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
hey i joined this thread recently and thought this was a good way to introduce myself.
i am 15, still going to school and i live in the uk.
a good chunk of my mum's side of the family are jws.
Welcome DuvanMuvan, Your Mum sounds very "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) to have married a non-JW and to give you so much latitude. You are very lucky.
I wonder if your Mum is just trying to placate her JW parents and/or family. Is your Mum baptized?
If you don't want to be a JW, just ask your Mum to help prove WTBTS doctrine that you are having trouble with using the Bible. Ask lots of questions of your Mum in an innocent way using information from www.jwfacts.com and/or asking for help from JWN members, and don't talk until your mother answers the last question asked. If you want to learn more about how to talk with a person who has been indoctrinated by BITE control techniques, please watch the following video: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
