Posts by ABibleStudent

Hi kneehighmiah, Can you send an email to your GF's father, brothers, roommate and close friends asking them to ask your GF to watch Steve Hassan's video Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23) without your GF learning that you asked them?

Your best approach is to help educate your GF's non-JW family and friends to learn more about helping your GF to learn to critically think for herself and let your GF go. Focus more about implementing your plans to successfully fade from the WTBTS and hopefully getting more education/training to qualify for a well paying career. If your girl friend chooses you over the WTBTS, FANTASTIC!! Otherwise, you will find someone who you can love eventually and hopefully free from the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Involved with a JW woman

by jonza in

okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

we're in love and seriously want to be together.

ABibleStudent

Welcome jonza, Unless you and your GF can view and openly discuss Steve Hassan's video Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23), run away and find a non-JW, who you love. I know that my advice sucks, but can you imagine your GF believing that she can recruit you into a dangerous cult that will suck out your heart, mind, and soul because she loves the WTBTS more than you.

I was once in love with a "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JW and I believe that she loved me too. As soon as I did not progress with my second Bible Study (indoctrination) with a brother, she stopped associating with me. She was more afraid of being shunned by her JW family and friends than she was of my loving her unconditionally. If we had gotten married, it would have been a ménage à trois relationship amongst her cult persona, her authentic persona, and myself. I know that you love your GF's authentic persona. How do you feel about her cult persona? Do you think that you can ever get her to critically think for herself? Are you willing to risk your emotional health and financial security on your feelings that you could get your GF to financially think for herself?

I'm glad that you joined JWN to learn more. Have you visited www.jwfacts.com and www.freedomofmind.com yet?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Ding Dong . . .

by ABibleStudent in

h'mmm, it is almost 11:00 am on a wednesday.

i wonder if it is a jw.. to the best of my knowledge the following happened, but i did get a little excited during our intial conversation and what transpired later so i may not be recounting the facts correctly.. i went downstairs with my trusty sharpie in my pocket to answer the door.

at the door there was an older (~75 year-old) man in a suit and appeared to be in good health.

ABibleStudent

@ scary21, What transpired was kind of funny in a Keystone Cops kind of way. Oh well, compared to someone with lots of JW family and friends may be I am lucky that I do not have plenty of opportunities to interact with JWs.

@MissMyHarley, LOL. Thanks for the laugh!

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Change of mindset.

by thedog1 in

jw
friends

i have been a witness for a long time and still serve as an elder.

there have been a lot of changes to deal with in the last six months or so since i stumbled on this site due to questions i had about all the recent changes in understanding published in the wt.

many posters here talk about a cult personality and a real personality.

ABibleStudent

Hi thedog1, Do you mean cult and authentic persona instead of cult and real personality?

Please either read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest books) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs) or watch Steve Hassan's video Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23) to understand how BITE control technics, cognitive dissonance, hubris, and phobias can create a cult persona.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Ding Dong . . .

by ABibleStudent in

h'mmm, it is almost 11:00 am on a wednesday.

i wonder if it is a jw.. to the best of my knowledge the following happened, but i did get a little excited during our intial conversation and what transpired later so i may not be recounting the facts correctly.. i went downstairs with my trusty sharpie in my pocket to answer the door.

at the door there was an older (~75 year-old) man in a suit and appeared to be in good health.

ABibleStudent

Hi redvip2000, I agree with you that I did not successfully achieve my goal of planting seeds of doubt in JWs, but at least I helped to make the complex neater looking. I wished that the JW just said that he was cold and I would have offered him some tea and girl scout cookies to delay him from passing out more phamplets. I wish that he would have accepted my offer of giving him a gift in return of www.freedomofmind.com written on the Memorial invitation. I wish that I hadn't been confronted about picking up the Memorial invitations from my neighbors by the JWs. I wish that I could have asked better questions of the JWs when I was confronted.

Since the condominium complex I live in has no soliciting signs at street entrances, JWs should know not to solicit door to door in the complex. While I was picking up the Memorial invitations I was also considering picking up other advertisements from real estate professionals that were left under mats or near front doors - loose papers make the complex look trashy. Since most people in the complex don't really use the front door because they enter their condo from the garage/carport in the back, papers will collect around front doors.

What would you have done that would have been more effective? What have you done to successfully plant seeds of doubts in JWs or protect non-JWs from being recruited into the WTBTS?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Anyone Else Feeling Forced to Go to the Memorial?

by PaintedToeNail in

jw
friends

i refuse to go to any meetings, assemblies, conventions, special talks or the like...however, i get coerced into going to the memorial every year.

because it keeps the peace at home with hubby and also makes my parents, who live elsewhere, have hope that i will come to my senses and become an active witness again.

there is no chance in hell of that happening, but it prevents the ties to my family from being severed.

ABibleStudent

For all you Memorial goers, have you thought about eating the bread and drinking the wine? I know that they both probably taste terrible, but have a martini or two before you go. If anyone asks, just say your one of the anointed. You probably won't be pressured to attend next year.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Elderettes?

by mellojello in

hey everyone i'm new here.

i'm not baptised but i've been qoute on qoute 'studying' for the past 4-5 years.

i'm almost 20. i've been lurking and i've seen a lot of posts about elderettes.

ABibleStudent

Welcome mellojello, Have you heard of the saying, "A happy wife. A happy life."? I sometimes think that if more elders' wives started to critically think for themselves, there would be a very few elders.

Why have you been studying for 4-5 years without getting dunked? If you want to achieve your full potential, please watch the following video by Steve Hassan to learn more about BITE control techniques that the WTBTS uses to victimize JWs: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23). If you want to learn more about the WTBTS and its history, please visit reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, and www.freeminds2.org.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Ding Dong . . .

by ABibleStudent in

h'mmm, it is almost 11:00 am on a wednesday.

i wonder if it is a jw.. to the best of my knowledge the following happened, but i did get a little excited during our intial conversation and what transpired later so i may not be recounting the facts correctly.. i went downstairs with my trusty sharpie in my pocket to answer the door.

at the door there was an older (~75 year-old) man in a suit and appeared to be in good health.

ABibleStudent

The Searcher and ILoveTTATT, thank you for reading and for your kind words.

My frustration is from my lack of thinking on my feet - it sucks! JWs are not allowed to critically think for themselves, so I feel compasion for them. I know how to recognize confusion in a JW and to continue to ask more simple questions, and how to overcome most thought-stopping platitudes when I write on JWN, but I do not do it very well when asking JWs simple questions.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - My hunt turned up more than 50 invitations. Some of the invitations were blown from under a mat or out of a door jam and laying on the ground. I plan to write an email to the complex's property manager informing them of the situation.

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Ding Dong . . .

by ABibleStudent in

h'mmm, it is almost 11:00 am on a wednesday.

i wonder if it is a jw.. to the best of my knowledge the following happened, but i did get a little excited during our intial conversation and what transpired later so i may not be recounting the facts correctly.. i went downstairs with my trusty sharpie in my pocket to answer the door.

at the door there was an older (~75 year-old) man in a suit and appeared to be in good health.

ABibleStudent

H'mmm, it is almost 11:00 AM on a Wednesday. I wonder if it is a JW.

To the best of my knowledge the following happened, but I did get a little excited during our intial conversation and what transpired later so I may not be recounting the facts correctly.

I went downstairs with my trusty Sharpie in my pocket to answer the door. At the door there was an older (~75 year-old) man in a suit and appeared to be in good health. I wondered if I should invite him in or just write a reputable website on the WTBTS propaganda.

He apologized for sticking an invitation in my door, asked if he could give me an invitation to a Memorial, and continued talking without saying that he was a JW or that he representated the WTBTS.

I felt a little chill blowing through the front door, so I asked the man if he was cold. He said thank you, but that I was the last condo that he was going to stop at because he only had one invitation left. He said something about the WTBTS has been around for 100 years, so I corrected him and said it has been around for about 130 years. He looked like he had the deer-in-the-headlight look, but than used the thought-stopping platitude that he had researched the WTBTS's history. I should have pressed the point, but didn't.

He continued to talk and asked to hand me the invitation. So, I asked him if I could give him something in return. He declined with an excuse that since he was coming to my door to give me something that he was not going to accept anything from me. At this point I knew that it was pointless to continue the conversation, so I said no thank you. He left.

I came upstairs to post my encounter on JWN and then thought about picking up the invitations that had been left on my neighbors doors and leaving them at the Memorial with www.jwfacts.com and www.freedomofmind.com printed on them. I still haven't decided if I will leave them at the Memorial, because I could feed into JWs' persecution complexes.

While going around picking up invitations, the same man asked me if I knew what I was doing. He was in a king-cab truck that was driven by a younger man in his 30's. The old man quoted some scripture to justify that what I was doing was wrong. I asked him why he wasn't following God's greatist commandment. He retorted with what was God's name (another thought-stopping platitude).

The young man asked if I was picking up the invitations. I said that yes I was. The young man said to stop it, and I said no. It was ok for them to belong to a dongerous cult, but I did not want my neighbors to join a dangerous cult.

The old man asked if I knew what was the definition of a cult. I said that I was not talking about a cult. I was talking about a dangerous cult and that he did not know what were the characteristics of a dangerous cult like he did not know that the Watchtower was founded in 1878 when he was at my door.

We talked a little more since the young driver did not appear to want to end the conversation quickly by driving off as much as the old man was trying to roll up his window to end the conversation. After a about 30 seconds of more talking, they drove off to place more invitations on another block.

I will continue to pick-up invitations soon, since I wanted to cool-down and I did not want to cause them any more anxiety.

I know, I screwed up. I am not good at confrontation. I did ask a few questions, but I do need to practise more to maintain my cool. I will never get good at confronting JWs only once a year. I need to do better at pressing topics that cause confusion in JWs and practise overcoming thought-stopping platitudes.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert