jwsurvey posted a pic of the wt.org store in france.
that building looks like something you would find in the vancouver,b.c.
eastend.
Damm! I was in Rouen, France in September 2012. It is a very beautiful city with a lot of historical/religous/cultural sites to visit instead of entering that store. I hope no one but JWs visit that store.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
flipper - However- that being said- statistics still show that 66 % of JW kids raised up in the cult eventually leave and exit the JW cult. So that's promising. While there's life there's still hope for freedom of mind for these young people.
JWfacts created many stistical charts of publisher measurements in the Jehovah's Witness Statistics article to illustrate WTBTS histroical performance using 1% of JWs annually fading/DF'ed/DA'ed and 0.33% are reinstated within a year. To me it is disheartening that 0.33% of JWs (~23,000 JWs) return to the WTBTS annually and an unknown number may leave the WTBTS but the WTBTS's BITE control still "unduly influences" them and limits their potential and enjoyment of life.
Becaue every year there are tens of thousands of JWs worldwide healing/suffering from the WTBTS's BITE control, I hope that anyone reading this thread will take the time to send a DF'ed/DA'ed/fading JW a simple note such as "I finally started healing emotionally after visiting www.jwfacts.com or www.freedomofmind.com" or "I have no more doubts about Jehovah's Organization after reading information on www.jwfacts.com or www.freedomofmind.com."
From personal experience I know of a man who still does not critically think for himself about the WTBTS. He still uses WTBTS thought-stopping platitudes. He was recruited as a teenager and has not been a JW for over 20 years. After leaving the WTBTS he has lived a very fun and full life, but I doubt that he would encourage anyone contemplting joining the WTBTS to critically think for themselves.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i definitely look like a worldly person by jw standards... however i went to my old hall because they are remodelling and they are in the final p[hase.
it was not on purpose.
i had bnusiness on the street and happened to drive past.
You are very 'mpotant, confusedandalone!! You can make JWs jump higher and run faster than the GB.
I hope that your father was resting comfortably in his car.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
has this been changed?
i thought this might need a new thread.. the memorials i have heard about multiple ones noted the prayer ending with something like "jesus our mediator".. sams on another thread :.
nonjwspouse: sahs, so has it now been stated that jesus is only the mediator for the fds, not all the anointed as was previously?.
Hi nonjwspouse, I would guess that most JWs do not realize that according to the Watchtower's latest publications Jesus Christ is the mediator for annointed Christians and therefore would not be the mediator for most R&F, who are not annointed. Because of the WTBTS's flip flopping, this can be confusing for JWs and not-JWs.
I do know that when two JWs confronted me while I was picking up Memorial invitations after they left them jammed in doors and under door mats in my posted non-soliciting townhome community, they did not realize that Jesus Christ was not their mediator according to the WTBTS. I even advised them to read the Watchtower more carefully to learn that the GB was their mediator and not Jesus Christ.
Asking a JW who is their mediator with God, could cause them to do usually mental/emotional gymnastics.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i have been trying to engage and talk to my mother and her "natural" personality as much as possible.
she has obvious concerns about the jw's, and we do discuss issues almost every time she visits.
we didn't see her for long stretches (months at at time, and suddenly a year had gone by...) we have now both committed to a minimum of a monthly visit, and we will work toward more.
Hi Faithful Witness, Be patient and compassionate with your mother. Wait for moments when your mother's cult persona is weakest and her authentica persona is strongest to help you mother critically think for herself. If it helps you to control your emotions, remember that your mother is being "unduly influenced" by the WTBTS's BITE control. Sickness, working too much, not eating right, and getting too little sleep will reduce your mother's critcal thinking.
The cult persona will be strongest after WTBTS conventions/assemblies, Memorial, and meetings. The authentic persona will be strongest after sharing fun times with your mother. Help your mother remember how witty she was before she become involved with the WTBTS by talking about how much you admired some poignant story of her wit.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so i was df'd a couple weeks ago.
i live in a place where i didn't really have new friends at the kh, so my day to day life isn't changing.
i'm just me living life like i was 2 weeks ago and 2 years ago.
Hi Comatose, I'm sorry that your parents' cult personas are behaving so unloving and that your parents' authentic personas are not strong enough to critically think for themselves.
You have more power than you may feel that you have right now. Either your parents accept you for who you are, for what you believe, and include you in all activities with your daughter, or they can follow the WTBTS's unloving shunning practises towatds you and your daughter. Under no circumstances allow your daughter to be left alone with JWs unless they can critically think for themselves, are not "unduly influenced" by the WTBTS, and follow your rules about not indoctrinating your daugther with the WTBTS's BITE control techniques. Child abuse can be mental and emotional as well as physical.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
after knowing ttatt for many years now...i had made up my mind long ago that after 2014, i would no-longer subject myself to the boredom, pain, and frustration of following this cult...the wt...the borg.. so...i made up my mind that since the wtbts/gb makes such a big deal as to the "significance" of the year 1914 and this year 2014, there can be no greater time for me to leave it all behind.
i daydreamed of how awesome and telling it would be if everyone that could ( because i do know that some have personal circumstances of their own, as i did too) would just .... walkout...never to attend/step foot in a kingdom hall from that moment on.. independence day of sorts?
there is too much evidence, too many videos, blogs, books, news reports and lawsuits for me to keep lying to myself.
Congratulations at being at peace with your decision, RagingBull!
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
besides a cult, everyone knows the watchtower is a business disguised as a religion.
from a business viewpoint, i would certainly hate or lobby against those who dislike my product and warn other people of my product.. i made a calculation based on information from jwfacts, and the results are just astounding!.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.
ILoveTTATT - yay!! very few took interest in my post until it got derailed into another atheist/believer debate... geez... -.-
Hi ILoveTTATT, The WTBTS's BITE control leaves an indelible mark on some JWs/exJWs (e.g., low compasion, not listening to others, and telling people what/how to think). Healing takes time for some people.
You can choose to view this "derail" as an opportunity to turn around this thread (if you choose) by learning how to improve or practise your listening and interpersonal skills to help build trust in others on JWN.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
as a "therapist trainee"(still have to take my license test) i worry about all of the religious people out there who might commit suicide if the rapture/armaggeddon does not materialize.
what if the bible is proven to be "a big fairy tale" will born again christians(bac) and jws kill themself?
i worry about some of my older jw relatives that have waited for armaggeddon for 50 years and are still waiting.
perfect1 - When religious people mass suicide, they do it so they dont have to accept that their belief system is false. Jonestown and Heavens Gate all died as true believers.
H'mmm, Jonestown seems like an exaggerated generalization to me that is not substantiate by facts. How many people at Jonestown were coerced/deceived to drink the arsenic laced Kool-aid? How could a baby forced to drink the Kool-aid be expected to make an informed decision?
Sure it is possible that some deluded people will make spur-of-the-moment decisions under "undue influence" , but that will probably be less than 20% of current JWs unless the GB is able to increase their "undue influence" over all JWs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
definition of apostate (n)bing dictionaryapostate[ ?
pos tayt ]somebody who renounces belief: somebody who renounces a belief or allegiancesynonyms: renouncer defector deserter renegadeaccording to the actual definition of apostasy(not the wt exaggerated twisted definition).
jws promote apostasy everytime we(im fading) knock on doors out in field service to try to get someone, who might have differnt religous views, to consider our literature and beliefs!!!.
Do "JWs love apostates" or "are JWs apostates?" IMHO the GB has used BITE control techniques to transform JWs into apostates of Jesus Christ.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
