Posts by ABibleStudent

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What is the Watchtower's(R) Objective with the APATHY TROLLEY(CART)?

by punkofnice in

i wefer to my pwevious fred http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280829/2/i-saw-a-trolley-cart-to-you-cousins-in-the-u-s-a.

if the wbt$ is losing money and drones then why so much apathy surrounding the trolley/cart?.

why are they not being more pro-active with this 'urgent, never to be repeated work(tm)?'.

ABibleStudent

The WTBTS is a dangerous cult. It keeps JWs busy thinking that they are better than everyone else, and therefore reinforces the WTBTS's BITE control. I still cannot figure out the money making angle for the WTBTS, unless it is to advertise the JW.ORG brand. I sometimes wonder when the WTBTS will allow advertizing on their website or have an online JW.ORG gift store where JWs can buy JW.ORG junk.

Considering that posters have described that JWs behave apathetically while manning the trolleys, I don't see a positive outcome for the WTBTS, unless they want to lose more JWs. I wish that there were trolleys were I live, so that I could ask them a few simple questions or a poster with jwfacts.com.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How do you embed videos into your posts?

by Wild_Thing in

i have tried copying the embed link from youtube and inserting in as html code in my messages.

it appears to be there in the preview box, but when i hit submit, it disappears!

what am i doing wrong?.

ABibleStudent

Did you delete the http:// . See examples below with and without the http:// . The youtube video is not embedded without the http:// .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyxh_1Zyk4

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyxh_1Zyk4

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Involved with a JW woman

by jonza in

okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

we're in love and seriously want to be together.

ABibleStudent

Hi jonza, Untill she reads one of Steve Hassan's (preferrably) or Raymond Franz's books, I would not get your hopes up. I wish I knew how you could purchase one of those books in her native language.

When you read the Bible with her, ask her how she interprets the Bible. I wouldn't recommend mentioning the WTBTS when reading the Bible.

Best of wishes to you both.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

by friendaroonie in

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its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

ABibleStudent

Hi friendaroonie, Why would the WTBTS want to recruit nursing home residents without assets to bequeath to the WTBTS? Follow the money.

If there is a way to prioritize your efforts, I would concentrate on upscale nursing homes where residents are not soley dependent on some form of medicare payments to pay for their care.

Best of wishes in your efforts. I do care about your efforts, but I am more focused on writing to politicians to change IRS rules for non-profit organizations to establish societal expectations to qualify as a non-profit organization, including religions.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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This is how I feel sometimes... who do you identify with? The doctor? or the UN investigator (Brad Pitt)?

by ILoveTTATT in

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ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, How are your parents treating you? Do you have hope that they (i.e., your mom) will not shun you?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Why is shunning NOT a violation of Nat'l and Int'l law?

by Zoos in

i was looking at the universal declaration of human rights posted at un.org and also the description of what constitutes a violation of religious freedom at uslegal.com .. .

according to the declaration of human rights:.

article 18.. everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

ABibleStudent

Guiding principles and laws of governance are for governments to comply with and are not applied to organizations such as religions by governments.

I would be very happy if governments would established basic rules that non-profit and charitable organizations must follow to receive government support and tax exemptions, and tax deductions for donors. I would like non-profit and charitable organizations be required to promote non-discrimation, which would prohibit using shunning/marking/not associating; reporting violent felony crimes to local law enforcement; and provide a service that benefits individuals/society and which the government does not provide.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Trolleys everywhere in my neck of the woods

by KateWild in

i went to an appointment today and what do you know a trolley.. i couldn't stop and chat, but i have another appoinment thursday, i will go early and have a chat.

i love this it's great fun chatting to jws whilst being df'd.. any ideas for my presentation?.

do you think i am harming myself?.

ABibleStudent

KateWild - Abiblestudent - Good question, I might use it, but I think they might be offended. What do you think?

Hi KateWild, Yes, they may be offended, but you would also be giving them an opportunity to attempt to prove that the WTBTS is not like the Pharisees and Sadducees if you use an inquisitive tone of voice and smile.

It is a segue question to talk about charateristics of dangerous cults without calling the WTBTS a dangerous cult. If a JW cannot differentiate between how the Pharisees and Sadducess behaved and how the WTBTS behave using characteristics in MT 23 (in context with Steve Hassan's BITE control definitions) and how those characteristics are contrary to MT 22:34-40, then you could ask s/he, "Why do you follow the teachings of the WTBTS instead of Jesus Christ's teachings and example? Aren't you a Christian? Have you visited the website www.freedomofmind.com to learn more about BITE cntrol methods, undue influence, and unhealthy influence by some organizations?" Seeds of doubt planted and hopefully no argumentative debates occurred, because you only asked simple questions and the JWs did most of the talking.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Roberrt

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Trolleys everywhere in my neck of the woods

by KateWild in

i went to an appointment today and what do you know a trolley.. i couldn't stop and chat, but i have another appoinment thursday, i will go early and have a chat.

i love this it's great fun chatting to jws whilst being df'd.. any ideas for my presentation?.

do you think i am harming myself?.

ABibleStudent

Hi KateWild, If you are already Df'ed and you know TTATT, how would you being harming yourself? Isn't stoning against the law in the U.K.?

Instead of presenting information to JWs, how about asking them simple questions instead? How about asking JWs how the WTBTS is different from the Pharisees and Sadducees? I would read MT 22:34-40 and MT 23 and Steve Hassan's books to ask JWs simple questions to plant seeds of doubts about following the WTBTS instead of following the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ.

How can a JW justify following the WTBTS when God's greatist commandment says to Love God with "all" your heart, mind, and soul and not an organization or religious leaders? God's second greatist commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. If a JW wouldn't like to be shunned, how can they shun other JWs?

Where did Jesus Christ say to shun or not associate with non-JWs in the Bible? If Jesus Christ believed in shunning and not associating with devils, John 6:60-70 would have been a good place for him to warn christians. So, why didn't he?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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What did Jesus really mean, when he said he had made his Father's name known?

by Faithful Witness in

i am preparing for my meeting this friday with miss k. we are reviewing the bible teach book, and she is looking forward to "showing me some things about the divine name.

" i don't know what she might pull out of her hat this time... but that section of the teach book is so completely assanine, i don't even know what to say.

) what did jesus mean when he said that to his father?.

ABibleStudent

NIV MT 23:23-24

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

Hi Faithful Witness, As you wrote about in your post, your solution to overcome Miss K's tactics is to read scriptures around her cherry-picked verses to understand the context of those verses. It would slow her down and therefore keep her off-balanced, and allow you to ask simple questions to hopefully reach her authentic persona. If she protests about you wanting to understand scriptures in context, you could recite MT 23:23-24 to her or Acts 17:11. Also, if you read MT 23 from Steve Hassan's perspective about dangerous cults, it almost reads like a description of dangerous cults.

Unfortunately Miss K probably is on a convention high this week and is full of WTBTS programming, so I would cancel meeting with her for several weeks. It usually takes several weeks for a JW's authentic persona to re-assert itself after a DC or assembly.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - I hope that you had a great vacation on the island.

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I just noticed this tactic

by problemaddict in

in reading terrys latest post, if made me think of something that exists and many of us have experienced but i have not really put into a logical thoughts process before.

in terrys 4 facts everyone should know about jw's, the second one referrs to the walsh trial where unity is said to be more important than truth, in no uncertain terms.. this made me think about how one would bring up this fact.

my mind wandered to the beginning of my fade, when inevitably, many of us open up our mouths and say too much.

ABibleStudent

Hi problemaddict, Have you asked JWs questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite did in exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed.

How do you feel that "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JWs would respond to you saying, "Someone told me that in the Walsh trail the president of the WTBTS said . . . I want to disprove it, but I do not know how to. How would you independently research something like buying a car/TV/house? . . . How would you research this?"

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert