Posts by ABibleStudent

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Should I attend Kingdom Hall meetings to discreetly "preach"?

by CrytoJesus in

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christians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.

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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .

ABibleStudent

CrytoJesus - The Watchtower is a stronghold to JWs. It's an idol. If I can present factual information to them that breaks their trust in the Watchtower or at least plant a seed of doubt then that's making progress.

Hi CrytoJesus, Presenting information/preaching is not the same as asking simple questions that help engage the brain of a JW to critically think for themselves. Learning how to overcome BITE control techniques would be more helpful than preaching to a JW.

Have you researched any information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visited his website at www.freedomofmind.com , and/or watched his FREE videos on his website?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Looks like ABC New York got the okay.

by truthseekeriam in

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http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

12/19/2014order filed.

upon due consideration, the media request of applicant abc news to make a video recording of oral argument in the above-referenced appeal is granted.

ABibleStudent

However you dissect it, it is GREAT NEWS!!! At least ABC News (New York) will be in attendance. I hope that they will post an unedited copy of the proceedings on their website or on youtube.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - I wonder if the WTBTS will actually make an annoucement in a meeting not to watch the proceedings, because it would draw attention to the fact that the WTBTS did lose a pedophile lawsuit. It would be a Catch-22 situation for the WTBTS.

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Should I attend Kingdom Hall meetings to discreetly "preach"?

by CrytoJesus in

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friends

christians, should i attend kingdom hall meetings to discreetly "preach" to jws about the real jesus and the lies of the watchtower?.

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i plan to go undercover and plant seeds into them.. .

ABibleStudent

Welcome CrytoJesus, Preaching to JWs about Jesus and them preaching to you about having the "Truth" will probably result in frustration for both of you.

If you want to help JWs to critically think for themselves, you might have better luck engaging them in conversation at their propaganda carts by asking them simple questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite did in the thread exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed. If you can help JWs to critically think for themselves then they will be able to decide if believing in Jesus Christ or another religion is right for them.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Steve Hassan's books

by tornapart in

at the moment i can't get these books, they are not available as ebooks and i can't risk having them in the house.

but i have heard so much about them and how helpful they are that i am just wondering if any who have read them can give some insights they have gained from them that would be useful to know.

thanks in advance.

ABibleStudent

For everyone who is looking for an e-book/audobook of Steven Hassan's "Combatting Cult Mind Control" your wait will soon be over. According to Steven Hassan " As of August 1st, 2014, the rights to my first book, Combating Cult Mind Control, are now mine. I am busily working on updating it and releasing it officially as an e-book, audiobook, and paperback, due out February 15th, 2015."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I am going to pioneer after the holidays!

by snakeface in

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yes, you heard right.. as you know, most christian organizations publish and distribute little tracts with their gospel message.

well they also make some that expose the lies of the wt, and explain how it is a cult.

even if people are not interested in the "gospel message" in these tracts, the tracts do a good job exposing the wt as a cult.. now, those of you who are now agnostic or athiests or just non-religious, please keep reading, to understand what i plan to do.... i am expecting to receive $$ for christmas.

ABibleStudent

Hi snakeface, I applaud your enthusiasm. Since most JWs like to do a knock, drop off literature, and run, your time might be better spent enjoying your new car.

If you feel that you must reverse witness, there are cheaper alternatives then buying religious tracts like printing business cards and labels with website names and QR codes such as www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.freedomofmind.com, and www.familiesagainstcultteachings.com. Just place the labels on WTBTS propaganda.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Can anyone tell me any narrative of having successfully avoided Baptism while being raised JW?

by SonoftheTrinity in

i just worry for my stepkids about their future that way..

ABibleStudent

Hi SonoftheTrinity, I would recommend helping your stepchildren to critically think for themselves and encourage them to make reputable non-JW friends. Also, your step-children can always say it is a very important decision to them and that they are waiting on Jehovah to guide them.

I would recommend trying some of the following:

Read information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visit his website at www.freedomofmind.com, and/or watch his FREE videos on his website. Except for the first edition of CCMC (printed in 1989), I would not recommend reading the aforementioned books in front of JWs. CCMC is ok because it doesn't mention that the Watchtower is a dangerous cult. You can either checkout these books from a local library, or purchase them in e-book formats or paperback.
I recommend that you watch the following four videos to convince yourself that Steve Hassan's ideas can help you before buying his books: How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01), The BITE Model (Behavior Information Thought Emotion) (5:03), What is the Strategic Interactive Approach? (4:21), Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23).
If you are financially well off, I would also recommend talking with Steve Hassan or one of his coaches by calling 617-396-4638 about specific ideas to help your wife and step-children.
Learn how to ask simple questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite did in the thread exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed. You can ask JWs difficult questions by pretending that you did not know how to respond to a question that someone asked you about JWs. Also, ask simple questions to learn more about what a JW's authentic persona loves to do.
Read the threads by Aussie Oz about his son like Thankyou dad, for making me think... .
Learn how to turn-off a JW's cult persona and empower a JW's authentic persona.
Learn how to overcome thought-stopping platitudes that JWs use, like why does a JW feel that the Watchtower has the "Truth". Does that mean that other religions are teaching falsehoods? What proof do JW's have that the Watchtower is teaching the "Truth"? Don't accept general answers. Ask for specific proof in a curious tone of voice and demeanor. Or, when JWs say "Where else shall we go?, ask them "Don't you mean to whom shall you go? According to John 6:68-69, Simon Peter said to Jesus Christ. Listen to JWs to learn what platitudes or cult-speak (i.e., "Worldly", "Apostate", etc.) that they use, and then afterwards think how you can overcome it and practise you delivery.
Encourage JWs to independently research subjects they are interested in by using the internet (like making hotel and travel reservations). Once JWs learn how to search the internet and feel comfortable doing it, they may start searching the internet about Watchtower or Jehovah topics.
If your wife attends conventions that are out of town, help her to make arrangements to stay at a nicer hotel away from JWs, so that her authentic persona can decompress after the convention by having fun with you and away from JWs.
Encourage JWs to do fun, time-consuming, non-Watchtower activities/hobbies that they love and where they can meet more non-JWs.

Best of wishes to you.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

ABibleStudent

You did awesome Terry!!

The best thing that you can do is help him to learn how to critically think for himself and how to integrate into the non-WTBTS world.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?

by ILoveTTATT in

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i am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.

that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.

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ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, I'm glad that your parents have decided to ignor at least one WTBTS doctrine.

ILoveTTATT - I have in the database the hyperlinks to the news sources, unfortunately, the news sources I use are repositories and only the people who have access to my university library can see them...

Does your database/repository have to reside in your university library? Information can easily be saved as .pdf files to insure that it is available in the future. If you ask the owners, I feel that your database and repository could reside on www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.AD1914.com, etc.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.

that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.

.

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, I love your idea of a database. I have two suggestions. Enter both state/province and country, so that searches could be done both at local and federal levels. Enter hyperlinks to references or the reference's title, source, and date published, so that additional research could easily be done.

Keep up the good work!

BTW have your parent's critical thinking skills improved?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - Have you asked Barbara Anderson about hosting your database on www.watchtowerdocuments.com or www.AD1914.com?

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How to fade intelligently ?

by TheFadingAlbatros in

how to fade intelligently ?

tell me your secret and then i will tell you in due time my secret.

it's important when we have to face a manipulative cult with some members of our family trapped inside, yes it is important to know how to fade intelligently so that our jw family members are not going to shun us.

ABibleStudent

From reading others posts, incompetence, always needy (i.e., money) to elders, unreliable, and then moving to two or more congregations probably work best for fading. Waiting on Jehovah is another option.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert