uggh..these are "HappyThoughts"?
I take it you are still jw?
Welcome to the board in any case...
from what i gather--in my opinion--here i go again the book is very negative; it's obsessed with the punishment in the hereafter for the "unbelievers" (an oft cited word in the book) and speaks of them being : chastised in the fire.
" i lost count of the number of times this phrase is used.
the book does not present a loving god--but a vindictive harsh one, more concerned with punishment than life and forgiveness.
uggh..these are "HappyThoughts"?
I take it you are still jw?
Welcome to the board in any case...
i have been still at it to get more help for my son matthew,well his psychiatrist has been doing as mush as he can.he is great!
i will be having someone soon come into my home to help me and my son to learn.i never realized matthew is severe with autism,until i compared him to other children over the summer.i had matthew in day camp for most of the summer.
well,i remeber i mentioned,the last letter i wrote when i was sooooooooo upset.. i mentioned matthew has pinworms and i have a very difficult time getting rid of them because it is very hard to give him any type of medication.he mouths a lot of objects and before you know he picks something up off the ground and in it goes to his mouth.
Hi Shera,
So sorry for what you and your son are going through. Some of the stuff our government does makes me so angry...bureaucratic bullshit!
Have you already called the Nova Scotia Health Department? You may get better results if you call MSI first, (MSI is administered by Atlantic Blue Cross Care here), explain your story, and ask that they give you the direct line of one of the "higher-ups" at the Dept. of Health who actually has the authority to cut through some of the red tape. (Executive Director, at least). If MSI won't give you a contact right away, keep calling back until you get your answer. They'll give you a name just to get rid of you, trust me.
Damn! It's too bad we just had an election. As sickening as it is, you'd be more likely to get a quicker, more favourable result if the powers that be were just a little more afraid of public reaction to your story.
Keep fighting the good fight!
...he that most jesus-believers think of as the big bad (*nod to joss*).
how is that i never got this when i was an active dub?
as per the link, (that i stole from another x-dub board...oh no!
...he that most Jesus-believers think of as the Big Bad (*nod to Joss*).
How is that I never got this when I was an active dub? As per the link, (that I stole from another x-dub board...oh no!), I remember that we were taught that jws were the "locusts" of Revelation...what I can't understand now is how I could have thought then that that was a good thing!
Anyway, I found it interesting...
http://www.megspace.com/religion/museltof/1jws.html
(Somehow I posted this in the Private Discussion area by mistake. Sorry for the duplicate post, but I don't know how to move the original one.)
Yep...I was hoping for him too Lady Lee. ;)
does this make you think of looking at the pictures in all of the publications?
images from this guy make me think of the witnesses.
i'm just wondering if anyone else gets the same weird feeling when they look at this.. http://www.chayan.com/phototheque/chutes/chu_003.htm
Naaah...it's much too cool to be dub work....really rather beautiful art actually. Besides, there are no pics of women in short skirts being destroyed, or men with earrings getting snuffed, or teddy bears falling into great abysses, you know? Stuff like that would make me think of jw "art". :)
this was inspired by seven006's fascinating series on his consulting trip to bethel.
wonder if anyone else has a story like this to tell?
my first memory of questioning whether the revered bethel experience might be somewhat less than what was advertised was:.
Voltaire,
I, too, was left with a ..well....queer feeling
heh heh heh...that's been said here before about Bethel. ;)
i wish i knew the original source of this article.
it appears to be written by an american.
thought i would share it, as i am proud of canada.. it's not just the weather that's cooler in canada.
Pathofthorns posted this article in Englishman's thread titled "United States and Canada" back on August 14th. I meant to thank him (her?) then but I forgot. Thanks for re-posting it. Apparently, it was written by Samantha Bennett of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette....so there you go!
most europeans have more than a little difficulty in telling a us accent apart from that of a canadian one.
it's a bit like ozzies and kiwi's, until you've met a few, the differences aren't that apparent to the untrained ear.
some folk even think that the us and canada are simply interchangeable terms for what is basically the same place.
I'm born and raised Canuck....Nova Scotian, to be more precise. I do NOT say "aboot" or "hoose" or "eh"...and I don't know anyone else who does. And "house about" Amazing? What the heck is that??!!
Seriously though, eh?
as a child, i used to baby-sit kids in the neighborhood for money.
it wasnt much, but $2 or $3 an hour to a 14 year-old back in the early/mid 80s was pretty big stuff.
on new years eve when a lot of parents were clamoring for baby-sitters, the price would go up to $5 an hour, which was awesome.
Very brave post Billygoat...considering how unwilling most people are to talk about their financial situation.
I'd like to respond to each of your questions:
Do any of you find yourselves struggling because you never learned to save?
Not struggling per se, but wishing that I'd begun saving and spending less a lot sooner.
Was the impending doom of Armageddon a factor in how you spent money?
Not until I left the cult while still believing in it. I thought that I was going to be toast at any moment, so I'd better live it up now! (It's been about three years since I felt that way...learned all about the Lie since then.)
Did you abuse credit because it would get cleared in the New System?
No. I thought I wouldn't be around in the "New System". See above. (Although, in a sense, I guess I would have been cleared of my debt. lol)
Do you think it is for JWs today? Or is it different from when I was a kid?
I think many jws mismanage their money. I'm not really sure if they do so more than the average person though...there are loads of people out there who've never been jws who are totally clueless about money...in fact, I'd say that the majority of people are downright stupid when it comes to money management.
As far as jws today...hmmm....well, my family members are all very much into the stock market, mutual funds, equity investments, etc. That wasn't the case when I was growing up. I think that the change in the teaching about the generation of 1914 has had a real impact in this regard.
Did your parents teach you good finance management habits?
In many ways, yes. They taught by example. They never bought anything that they could not afford to pay for right away...even vehicles, which they always bought used. If they used a credit card, they used it only out of convenience. Credit card bills were always paid on time and in full every month. The only exception to that rule was the mortgage on the house. Before I left the borg, I was only working part-time and I still managed to save quite a substantial amount...an amount that I have not seen in a savings account of mine since. Then again, I was a good little dub at the time...what the heck did I have to spend my money on? lol
What are some things you’ve done to teach yourself new spending habits? (I mean practical little things.)
Other than realizing that Jehoover isn't going to strike me dead any day you mean? I have a couple:
Keep a budget - even a simplified one is great. I use an Excel spreadsheet to track what I spend in general terms so that I know whether or not I'm meeting my own savings goals. I have formulae everywhere in the spreadsheet so I know if I spend more than I should in one area, I have to compensate elsewhere. (It's kind of depressing to look at sometimes, but it does the trick.) The great thing about it is that if you project it month by month for a year or two, you can really see your money in savings adding up to a nice, tidy little sum.
Never use a credit card to buy meals or drinks....or more to the point, never take a credit card with you when you are out for a few drinks!
Any recommendations in terms of how to clear debt?
You could see a credit counsellor. Make sure you go to one that doesn't charge anything for their services though. They can help to lower the interest rates on the credit cards you are paying off....sometimes even eliminating the interest altogether. Just be advised that if you are up-to-date on your payments, going through a credit counsellor *may* adversely affect your credit rating.
Any recommendations on how to GET MOTIVATED and STAY DISCIPLINED?
I find the projected budget does wonders for me. I can see the numbers grow and grow...and/or shrink and shrink when I put in extra expenses for things I don't really need.
That's about it from me!
this is probaly one of my biggest problems i dealt with growing up in the jw crap.. it's no fun growing up alone.. i am sorry, but i hated my parents (probaly from the time i was 13), i know that is mean and a terrible thing to say, but that's how i felt.
i had no respect for them growing up in the borg.
they taught me nothing about ................. having a relationship/dating.
Hey run...is it ok if I call you run, hun? :)
I know what you mean. My parents were forever giving me the lecture about "respecting" them....the thing was, I never really did anything bad in the first place...I just "talked back" when they were giving me yet another lecture about some ridiculous, petty thing...like not wanting to sit for an hour during the family study...GAWWDD!! How I HATED that family study...SOOOO BORING! It wasn't enough that we had to go to all the meetings, read all the literature, then re-read and re-study it on our own before the meetings, then again before field service, and then go in field service itself...it's no wonder I hated that one additional hour of "family study" so!
Whew! Got off on a bit of a tangent about the family study....did I mention how much I HATED family study?
Anyway...most parents need to realize that they have to actually EARN their children's respect. That's not a psychology lesson that goes over too well in any fundamentalist household, unfortunately.