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  Disfellowshipped for celebrating Xmas?

  by Theburstbubble in

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  i could really do with some advice on what's acceptable when you leave.

  we have left of our own accord about 6 months ago.

  we didn't celebrate xmas this year but have just celebrated my daughters birthday.. a friend of mine who is still a witness told me that an elder had approached her and asked if we had celebrated xmas and that if we did it was a df offence as is classed as apostasy!

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  6. Having a Christmas tree won’t necessarily get you disfellowshipped

  In the labyrinth of questions aimed at highlighting the shunning policy, Angus Stewart asked Geoffrey Jackson the following…

  So, for example, if they [a Jehovah’s Witness] had become inactive or sought to fade without formally disassociating, and the elders came to visit and found them celebrating Christmas or a birthday, they would be found to be in transgression of the rules, would they not?

  Jackson’s answer was remarkable…

  That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those type of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

  Anybody who knows anything about the Witness faith knows that celebrating Christmas or birthdays is expressly prohibited for Witnesses – a “transgression of the rules” as Stewart carefully phrased it. In fact “celebrating false religious holidays” is clearly listed as a form of apostasy in the Shepherd book and deemed judicially actionable by elders.

  As with his earlier obfuscation about corporal punishment, Jackson’s ability to contort the truth so readily rather than take pride in teachings and practices that are supposed to be mandated by God will have been a huge wake-up call for any sincere Witnesses who dared to watch.

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  Just handed in my Disassociation letter

  by Thirteenth tribe in

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  tonight my dl was posted by hand by my husband (a worldly guy).

  i had the luxury of being at work distracted whilst he posted it.

  i have been baptised for just over 2 years and studied since 2010. i couldn't take it anymore, not just the zealous dislike/disgust for 'people in the world' (this includes my husband and 99% of my family btw) but the obvious.... the investigations into child sexual abuse.

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  Awesome ...good for you!
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

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  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Those ignorant elders did me a favour .... the unbelievable cruel way I was treated helped me right out the door!

  Two elders showed up ,and I said that I just could not go on anymore & burst into tears. I was told to read the daily text & wait on J. I should be content to be alone. Truly they had no real answers or comfort to give! They were laughing as they went out the door, leaving me still in tears. (I do not normally cry)
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  The Bread Illustration (Feb 16 Broadcast) - Massive Contradiction

  by fizzle in

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  2. friends

  so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".

  he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?

  jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?

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  I thought this was a joke but watchtower is dead serious .........what a bunch of jw dopes!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWrHi4KSjes
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  It's Too Late to Return to Jehovah!

  by naazira in

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  yes friends it is too late for most of you to return to jehovah's org.

  based on the new garlic bread parable in this month's broadcast with the illustration using loaves of bread.

  it is obvious that the doors of the arc has been closed shut by jehovah's hand for some of us.. according to the new parable that can be found on jw tv.

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  Omg ...if my kids were playing some game with 3 loaves of bread, bottles of ketchup, mudd, powdered cheese & water ......and making that damn fool mess wow would they be in big trouble! Damn fools!
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  They lied to you Jack......

  by Tech49 in

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  my name is jack harper, tech49.

  new here, been lurking for many months now.

  a brief history:.

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  BOE Letter: Re: Magazine Requests

  by pixel in

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  to all bodies of elders in the united states branch territory .

  re: magazine requests .

  dear brothers: in our letter to all congregations dated october 20, 2015, regarding making wise use of printed magazines, publishers are encouraged to use good judgment to determine an individual’s interest before offering magazines.

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  Omg and the thing only has a few pages in it now! Couldn't even blow your nose with it!

  They are cutting back yes but what I see is a getting rid of a bunch of junk. I would just have a garage sale when junk collects ....but they get their slaves to deliver it all around the neighbourhood! They are clearing out ..... maybe they will grabb the money and RUN!
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  Kinda Sad Re: Cart "Witnessing"

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

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  slightly redacted for privacy of those involved.. so, this is "park witnessing" in oklahoma.. the parks in this community are basically walking trails and some tatty playground equipment.

  most of the time, sparsely used, and today was a very blustery day.. notice the justifying comment- "quite a few" checking out the cart.

  i am sure they were..... .

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  Exerting themselves vigorously I see!
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  Thought control - sexual fantasizing is wrong - May 2016 Watchtower

  by Listener in

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  2. bible

  >>the bible reveals that jehovah issaddened when people pursue a wick-ed course and ‘the inclination of theirthoughts is only bad all the time.’ (readgenesis 6:5, 6.

  ) from this we can per-ceive that sexual fantasizing is wrongbecause it can lead to serious sin that isforbidden in the scriptures and is out ofharmony with jehovah’s way of think-ing.the disciple james wrote: “the wis-dom from above is first of all pure, thenpeaceable, reasonable, ready to obey,full of mercy and good fruits, impar-tial, not hypocritical.” (jas.

  3:17) beingaware of this, we should be moved toreject entertainment that fuels impurethoughts and inclinations.

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  It is all about controlling you by guilt!

  Do you really think JW.org (aka watchtower, jw's & GB) ...care about your principles or morals? Really?

  Their every magazine, rule or command is presented only to GUILT you!

  Guilt ...... a powerful motivator. Guilt is used to beat you down & keep you begging.

  Guilt ........a religious tool of control.

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  The wt has now changed Jesus definition of neighboor

  by poopie in

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  the man asked jesus who is my neighbor jesus stated the one who acts mercifully toward other humans.

  not good enough for watchtower neighbor must fit in three catagories only according to yesterdays wt wow changed the words of the son of god.

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  As a jw what bothered me, were the self righteousness & time counting thoughts that occurred when helping a neighbor down the block or some poor woman who has fallen on the sidewalk.

  Before I was mixed up in this cult, I wouldn't give it a second thought to help someone .......it just happened 'naturally'!

  Mind control again!

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