next week's congregation bible study will explain and illustrate why christendom is toast, and how we can contribute to the joy of christ by supporting "the faithful and discreet slave.".
the anger and the joy of the messianic king.
10. like his father, our master is by nature happy.
Misery
Oh wow, can't you just see it now ... the Gb keeps getting reports that the 'apostates' are continually posting about the borg's neglect of the poor & the needy .... so this is just one more "cover our a$$" assignment for the writing department. They must have been so proud as they gave instructions to print this(crap)! Only an idiot would'nt see through it!! Oh dear we may have a problem....
Lovelylil, you nailed it!
clarity
hey what's up everone?
i'm new to here.
it took a while for me to get this hard feelings out of my system....yup....i'm 18 and i'm on my last year of high school...this year i'm taking it online i don't mind it's ok..i do miss the people at school..as u know my parents r jw and i'm one too...i am very active and i do it all for my parents and to avoid confllict but recenlty i just don't like some of bans no what u can and can't do...i'm behind on school beacuse i reg pio...i'm a active person...i really want to leave this reglion beacuse one i can't visit my family grandparents and cousins in europe beacuse they "worldly"....this for me is bs...so stupid....it's my family... if i do leave the jw it's not like i'm going to do drugs and drink or smoke...my goals r to be in the olympics and to start snowboard cross...i'm going to join a snowboard club next season....i don't care anymore about what people think...it's not like i'm doing something bad..it's something that will bring me joy....today my mom was questioning me like crazy about my new jw friend that i ski with....there was a friend of a friend last year that i hang out once with he was a so called good exmaple but he quit the jw and started drinking and smoking so...yup he's dumb...now my mom is like questioning every i associate with..i hardly have any friends and my life sucks..i want to make it better by snowboard more...i'm allowed to go every secound day as long as i prepair for the crappy propangda meetings....ya...support is hard when my parents don't support my dreams but when i do get in the olympics u have only myself to thank beacuse every time i pratice i have bad snowboard days and good i feel like crying at the mountain my heart breaks i want to be faster and better...i want to be the best.. i told my mom i want to be the best snowboarder out there for snowboard cross and she was like humble yourself and all this jw crap...i just don't know how to put it into words.....it's like a backworkd train...i tried to a last attemt at this jw by trying to join a foriegn group...but it failed bad and that was like the straw that broke my back...years of holding my back of trainnign and being active is making me to go crazy ....it's hard i'm just trying to get my pain out when u fall on your snowborad u have to encorage your self u have to train your self u have to push yourself..i wish i could start life all over agian...the war in my country runid a large part and now this....when ur younger u don't know better and this relgion seems good but when u age and watch the olympics like i do and then watch it live...i got a job at the vanoc thing so i was there...it's a different experience to race ....my country did not do so well and i wish i could represent them and get a gold medal....u know it would make my life better....and bring hope to tons of people facing the same story as me....i was a jw from when i was 10 so i kindof miss chirstmas and holidays but i don't care anymore.....my dad came home talk latter.
Hi Snowboarder,
Welcome to this place. You say that you are 18 !!!!!!! Honey, I have pantyhose older than that!
"..i wish i could start life all over agian..."
I do understand that you feel you've 'wasted' time and have been held back somewhat but think about it ... if you started over again really how far ahead would you be? You're still only 18.
Take a deep breath and get some perspective. The world's your oyster, if you only knew it. Opportunities will come and go, just keep moving ahead toward your dreams.
clarity
early christian writings.. .
let alone "inspired by god?
church councils) this is what i mean by spiritual osmosis.. there are other early lists of new testament books that.
cyberjesus -thanks I appreciate that.
c
early christian writings.. .
let alone "inspired by god?
church councils) this is what i mean by spiritual osmosis.. there are other early lists of new testament books that.
Wow Prodigal so much food for thought!! Many thanks to you for posting this information.
I've read over all of it, as well as that of the Piso Family(thanks Darth & Glenster).
To say that I feel overwhelmed is an understatement, as you all well know how we've believed as jw's, ... so very sure about every bit of it. Omg not the bible tooooooo!
A year ago, I thought I was starting over again to understand doctrine etc. Never realizing that deep down there was more!!!
clarity of the not so sure class
i'm having a really hard time giving my meeting parts.
i had a service meeting part this week and i could hardly get through it.
i am no longer convinced of some of the things jws teach and so i try to either eliminate those things from my parts, or reword them so that i'm not speaking about that which i do not personally believe.
Franklin,
"I want to say, "I have doubts. Maybe you do too. It's OK. God isn't going to destroy us for it. Let's start talking about this stuff together."
I think your answer lies in these words.
You're a good man Franklin
clarity
i'm having a really hard time giving my meeting parts.
i had a service meeting part this week and i could hardly get through it.
i am no longer convinced of some of the things jws teach and so i try to either eliminate those things from my parts, or reword them so that i'm not speaking about that which i do not personally believe.
Franklin,
I know you want more than just sympathy here, but just have to say with the 'fade thing' ... so much easier to do as a woman. When you are a "star" everybody is watching.
I often wonder about brothers who move to Mexico etc, whether they are really trying to escape the lime light!
Maybe just keep it your mind to be the most helpful, kind & understanding elder then when you do leave, others will follow.
take care
clarity
a very close person i know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, i think i have the celestial class 144000 covered.
i was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.. psalms 72:7 - in his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.. isaiah 33:24 - and no resident will say, "i am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.. would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?.
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ProdigalSon,
"But of course, it all came into focus when I learned how the New Testament was deliberately compiled to make it appear as if Jesus fulfilled all those prophecies"
Would you expand on this further? Maybe a link. Thanks.
c
several years ago, before my wife and i left, my 5 yr old daughter got up during the watchtower to cross the aisle to sit with someone else.
she tripped on the roving microphone wire and smashed her head on the foot of a metal chair.
the bleeding was profuse and an ambulance was called.
There's a reason why insurance regs and fire codes strictly prohibit creating trip hazards and/or restricting the ailses when this type of building is occupied. It's DANGEROUS.
I agree with TD's comments on this subject.
We are commanded to attend these meetings, whether at kingdom halls or rented assembly facilities. The driving force behind this attendance, is not the care and safety of the sheep, you can be very sure! We must get there, and be there come hell or high water. Sick or not. Do or die.
And yet in our sacrificial attempts to satisfy "the mother' we find ourselves many times in rather unsafe circumstances.
While making our way to seats at an assembly one year, my little son walked off the end of a stairway and dropped down about 4 ft, injuring his neck. No one had checked to put up a barrier!
Obviously this site was not checked out for our safety then, and will not be as long as we keep quiet. As long as the borg can have it's own ends met, that will be the most important thing!
So glad I'm out, but for those still affected by the ineptitude of the 'rulers' - will they change their tactics any other way? .......So sue.
clarity
the wts informs its followers that they are not: "under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
" (insight on the scriptures volume ii p. 245).
"for the purpose of protecting the interests of god's cause, it is proper to hide the truth from gods enemies... this comes under the term war strategy.
Hairy
Albert Schweitzer - "Truth has no special time of it's own. It's hour is now - ALWAYS!"
My Yiddish ancestors would say "A half truth is a whole LIE!"
My thoughts on this watchtower lying thing is this, if someone will lie ... how could they be believable. Ever.
clarity
i've read here that if the wt admits 607 is wrong or if 1914 is wrong, the logical result is that god did not choose them as his org.
can someone explain to me how that logically follows?.
couldn't they just say, "we have received new light on that, have learned that we cannot give a specific date (like how they abandoned 1935), but look, we adhere to the bible more strictly than anyone else, we strive to 'keep the cong clean' more than any other group, etc., so therefore, we must be chosen by god as his only org.
InterestedOne..thanks for posting this question. So much to understand isn't there?
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Leavingwt's answer omg...I just did not see this before now!!!!!......
"Their 'Good News' is not the good news in the NT. Their Good News is that Jesus stood up as King in 1914. So, if they drop 1914, they've lost their unique Gospel."
I knew the scripture in 2Cor11:4 that talks about someone preaching a different Jesus or ... a different good news, other than what you accepted...., but never put it all together!
Wow, I'm amazed thanks so much,
with eyes opened even wider - clarity
