Posts by Fencing

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Co's visit - fall 2014 - old references to Russell

by berrygerry in

i'm presently listening to the co's visit of fall 2014.. he is referencing many references to russell's beliefs of the 1800's and 1903.. sadly, i did not record these comments from his talk.. anyone else have these comments?.

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Fencing

It's damage control. They know how damaging it can be when someone learns on the internet that just about everything they've been told about what Russell believed has been distorted to present a fake sense of continuity between him and the modern Society. I know that's one of the biggest things that did it for me.

This way, they can get it out in the open in a controlled, tempered manner, and give people just enough info satiate any curiosity and prevent them from researching too deeply, without having to give the whole story.

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Just watched a documentary on the Mormon church and I reckon they have got far more scandal and issues with BS doctrins than the witnesses ever did

by joe134cd in

must admit i didn't know a lot about the mormon church, so i decided to spend my saturday night exploring them on you tube.

after having viewed it i reckon the watchtower dosnt even come close to the scandal and total bs that surrounds the mormon church.

this is just 2 examples.

Fencing

There are many similarities between exes of both groups as well.

It's pretty interesting how you can get exes of JWs and Mormons together to talk about their experiences, and they will both sound strangely familiar to each other, even though the religions have next to nothing in common theologically.

I still don't think they are wackier than jws. Have you ever read Golden Age? Miracle Wheat, there's no such thing as germs, jumping up and down cures colds, if you get an x-ray it will harm your grandchildren, bob haircuts cause problems for women?

I don't know about that. I think Mormon origins are easily wackier than JWs. I mean, the whole thing was started by a con man who used his teachings to have sex with just about any woman in the group he wanted. As crazy as his ideas were, I generally think Russell was fairly sincere person, at least in the beginning. The same can't be said about Smith. It started as a con, and never stopped.

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Modern Morality .

by jhine in

jw
friends

having recently been posting on a thread about ot moral values , which are not widely "appreciated " to say the least , i have been thinking about our modern morals about sex and reletionships , or more acurately the lack of any sexual morals todays .

i don't think that we are better off as a society which has gone so far to the do want you want , with whom you want and when you want approach to sexual ethics as we have .

i don't think that women are actually liberated by this attitude .

Fencing

As I recall, there have been some studies into why everyone always thinks the past was better than the present, when it is absolutely, 100% demonstrably false. Think about it: You can meet someone who lived through massive world wars, people dying the streets from easily-preventable diseases, women being treated as little more than property, black people being lynched for the color of their skin - and they will still somehow think yesteryear was better than today and that society is going downhill. The Society preys on this thinking very effectively.

The reason, is our brains don't like to dwell on the negative, and we whitewash a lot of our memories, filtering out a lot of the bad and focusing instead on the good. So, we idealize our past and remember it how we wanted it to be, not how it actually was.

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Service Meeting Adjustment w/c 1st September

by konceptual99 in

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friends

probably nothing of major note but there is an adjustment to the service meeting of w/c 1st september to allow for a 15 min local needs the society have asked the elders to deliver.

this is in uk and i've no idea if it affects other regions.. if it's uk only then i suspect it's either specifically about donations or more likely the status of the new branch facility, asking for volunteers/money.

given that the elder delivering it in our hall is prominent on the local rbc then i suspect the latter.. .

Fencing

If they promise that money will be of no value and hound for donations, then get ready--to spend that money that will soon be thrown on the streets on silver. Do not donate anything to the washtowel. You are better off to buy silver, and if it's only small amounts, dimes and quarters are relatively easy to find and afford. You keep the silver.

That way, when the time comes and hyperinflation destroys the dollar, you will at least have something to tide you until something else comes. Instead of having nothing, you will have a few days or weeks before having to barter or find work that pays in silver or gold.

Is there anything ever posted here that doesn't somehow tie into your crazy dollar valuation obsession?

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Publisher Statistics

by lurkernomore in

i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

(also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

Fencing

I could count on one hand the number of people that I watched get baptized as honest-to-goodness, pure, cold-call converts. Even the handful I knew who were contacted door-to-door had believing relatives who had sort of softened them up before anyone came to their door. I can only think of one person who had no JW relatives and was discovered door-to-door.

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The Watchtower 11/15/2014

by wifibandit in

http://bayfiles.net/file/1jpu5/qhxxxl/w_e20141115.pdf.

select "premium download".

(thanks breakfast of champions).

Fencing

Makes me wonder if the GB has a luxury bunker somewhere.

That's assuming the GB actually believe deeply enough to think they'll need a bunker. I have some doubts that they drink their own koolaid to that degree.

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More JW bragging about the Landover, MD. convention. Please have barf bag at the ready before reading

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

the following e-mail is circulating among jws about the international convention at fedex stadium in landover, md.

note the all-too-familiar jw claims: everything they do (including the simple act of parking cars) is proof of jehovah'stm blessing, and everything wt did at the convention was the fastest, greatest, best ever.

oh, and the never-fails-to-get-mentioned alleged 'persecution'/resistance from some unnamed authority who tried to get in watchtower's way and hamper the effort...but jws prevailed anyway (as always):.

Fencing

According to ESPN, the Redskins (who play at FedEx Field) had an average attendance last season of almost 78,000.

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Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.

even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.

indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.

Fencing

Janitor's World is the most apt description of the composition of the average congregation that I have ever heard.

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DF'd for Blood Transfusion

by lambsbottom in

so, what is the discipline, if any for a blood transfusion?.

Fencing

As I recall, it used to be you were disfellowshipped for it - Judicial Comittee and all. Then, they got in trouble with a court in Europe, and magically it changed to claiming that the person who accepted the transfusion "disassociated" themselves by their actions. The end result is exactly the same, but they can now point to the rules when they get sued and say, "See, we don't take punititive action against our members for accepting blood; they choose to leave on their own accord."

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org is dying

by lambsbottom in

i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

Fencing

They can't remove shunning without simultaneously going totally mainstream in their belief system. Disfellowshipping is what keeps everyone in line and following all the rules. Without that effective threat of punishment, the whole thing collapses. You keep all the crazy rules and take away the threat of losing your entire social structure, and there's no reason for anyone to do anything the GB says anymore.