That really is a great find Mr Monroe well done, great post.
Thank you too Mad Sweeney for the link, I look forward in reading it :)
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The role of the Home Bible Study arrangement in JW brainwashing
by MrMonroe ini've just started reading "year of doom, 1975: the inside story of jehovah's witnesses" by english author j.c. stevenson.
it was published in 1967 as basically a memoir of his years in the dubs, including time as a pioneer, and an explanation of the methods used by them to make the organisation grow.. it's not the best "insider" book i've written, but there is a section i've uploaded below that makes some interesting points about the home bible study procedure and why it is so effective at turning interested people into baptism candidates.
reading through this, i see myself back in the mid-80s sitting there getting led, week by week, into the trap.. this section is from chapter 2, "the seed is watered" in which he explains the typical process following a few return visits.. .
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I am going in... Can anyone here get me reinstated?
by cyberjesus inso i have been thinking about it.
so if anyone here knows a way to get me back in fast... i am going as a undercover agent of satan... i will.
i am gonna make a video showing gods divine direction in action using apostates.... if i go back in then i will be able to for sure get some family members out..... let me know.
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Jesus is NOT the Messiah!?!?! More Crazy Bible Contradictions ;)
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The drunkard's answer was awesome: "No, I think he was born from a d..ck and a p...sy, there is no other way".
@ DagothUr that drunk wasn't drunk enough, he was still making sense . . .
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Jesus is NOT the Messiah!?!?! More Crazy Bible Contradictions ;)
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Well there are many contradiction on the bible but thats "human" mistakes. That doesnt prove anything...... Jesus is in you heart.... I had a personal revelation..... I dont believe the whole bible but I follow Jesus.
Well he is for me. whatever
lol@ cyberjesus :)
well I don't have Jesus in my heart, he is just part of my Lego board...
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Jesus is NOT the Messiah!?!?! More Crazy Bible Contradictions ;)
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Looking back now, I wonder why I couldn't see such contradictions in the bible, now they stand out like sore thumbs...
Oh yeah I know why I couldn't see them before because I was in a Mind Control Cult!!!
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Jesus is NOT the Messiah!?!?! More Crazy Bible Contradictions ;)
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I enjoy exposing crazy bible contradictions, enjoy the following:
In 'Matthew 1' it introduces the genealogy of Jesus Christ, beginning with Abraham. (BTW: The genealogy contradicts that of Luke's account).
The purpose of the genealogy may be to support claims that Jesus was the Jewish messiah, who was expected to be a direct descendant of King David.
2 Samuel 7:12-13 When your days come to the full, and you must lie down with your forefathers, then I shall certainly raise up your seed after you, which will come out of your inward parts; and I shall indeed firmly establish his kingdom.
As we can see the messiah will come from David’s inward parts - his seed/sperm.
Now this requirement is not meet. Joseph is from the line of David, not Mary. As Joseph didn't use his seed/sperm to impregnate Mary.
Matthew 1:25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.
So Jesus is instead a child of the Holy Spirit not from David.
Jesus himself rejects Davidic ancestry for the Messiah in Mark 12:35-37 However, when making a reply, Jesus began to say as he taught in the temple: “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is David’s son? By the Holy Spirit David himself said, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet.”’ David himself calls him ‘Lord,’ but how does it come that he is his son?”
Welcome to the bible my friendsit's almost as crazy as the WT$ writing department.
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Deserved worship
by goddidit ini don't believe in god.. if i understand the jw claim correctly, god exists, always did, always will.. just existed forever.. if this is the case then god didn't cause his own existence.. then why does he deserve any credit or worship?.
only jw answer i can think of is that worship is good for us, but this means we were created to worship!.
why would god do this?.
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By definition, something that is perfect must lack/need nothing. Therefore, a perfect beingthat needs to be worshiped (or jealously demands worship) is self-refuting.
Could not have said it better SweetBabyCheezits!
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latest public watchtower says issue has been settled. why no new system then
by therevealer in3. why has god allowed suffering?.
for a time, jehovah has tolerated rebellion.
to show that no.
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lol @ punkofnice
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UN & Watchtower : link deleted....
by yalbmert99 inhi everyone, someone just made me notice that the pdf document on the u.n. website proving that the watchtower associated itself as ngo from 1991(demand) to 2001 has been deleted or is missing.
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf i sent an email (very short since they don't allow more than 200 characters) to the un to inquire.
i doubt that they'll respond.i suspect that the watchtower pressured the un to deleted that link.....
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I just contacted them as well, I think we all should.
They need to know people are concerned that it has been taken off their web-site.
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Do You Feel Somewhat Liberated When You Talk About Your JW Past?
by minimus ini do.. when i tell people that i was a witness, nobody can believe it!
i enjoy telling them why i left the religion, the harm they cause, and the benefits of being out of it.. do you express yourself in this way too or is it only me?.
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YES! I love explaining to people why I left. I start by saying that I was in a cult and now I am free! This always gets their attention and logically they ask which cult. Then the truth about the JW religion spews out of my mouth and it feels sooo soooo good. I am truly amazed how people don't know much about us. When I told one of my co-workers, she had no idea that we refuse blood and would let our children die because our leaders say so - citing 1 out-of-context bible verse.
I always make sure I phrase things correctly so they understand how cult like we are, for example:
Jehovah's Witnesses believe their leaders in NY speak for God, Jesus chose them in the spring of 1919. Soon God will destroy all of mankind (7 BILLION) and ONLY the few million JWs will survive to enter a edenic utopia paradise, petting lions and eating fruit. The leaders from NY will be transported to heaven and rule as Kings with Jesus over all the earth. They have declared Armageddon is coming on such & such a date quite a few times in their short 130 years, they even built a house in San Diego for the soon-to-be resurrected Noah, Abraham etc to live in. Anyone that is NOT a JW is classed as 'worldly' and under the control of Satan! This means YOU! Every single JW carries a suicide card with them at all times, "No blood transfusion", this little card is a signed document allowing the doctors to let them die (without blood) without being sued. If you disagree with anything they teach, you will be cut off from the church and every other JW - even your own family MUST shun you, unless you come back to the cult.
Their faces after hearing that is priceless! After they pick up their dropped jaw I explain how I can now enjoy certain music, movies, books and I am allowed to think for myself and have my own opinion on whatever I choose.... etc
It is drummed into the JWs heads that the world knows our beliefs and respects them... sorry but that is pure BS! My co-worker was shocked and sickened. She said: "I never talk to the witnesses when they come to my door and now I will tell everyone I know to stay away from them!" Ah another great day of anti-witnessing. I love it.
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