lost&found
I've browsed through the "God Delusion" at a bookstore and I'm planning to buy a copy. Have you read 'A Brief History of Time' by Stephen Hawkings and 'Conversations With God' by Neale Donald? They might interest you.
RM
hey guys just wanted to let y'all know that i have noticed most of the emails relate to the states.... where are all those of you df'd etc etc in africa???
or were you all so brainwashed you dont even use the internet.....well we all face the same situations of terrible , judgemental, hypocrytical good for nothing co's elders etc.
i am so glad i dont have to deal with boring meetings that repeat the same old stuff day in day out....except of course when there is "new light".
lost&found
I've browsed through the "God Delusion" at a bookstore and I'm planning to buy a copy. Have you read 'A Brief History of Time' by Stephen Hawkings and 'Conversations With God' by Neale Donald? They might interest you.
RM
hey guys just wanted to let y'all know that i have noticed most of the emails relate to the states.... where are all those of you df'd etc etc in africa???
or were you all so brainwashed you dont even use the internet.....well we all face the same situations of terrible , judgemental, hypocrytical good for nothing co's elders etc.
i am so glad i dont have to deal with boring meetings that repeat the same old stuff day in day out....except of course when there is "new light".
I'm from Nairobi, Kenya. Quite lonely here as I don't know of any other exJWs in Kenya who are aware of the real truth about the borg except for members of my family whom I've managed to get out of JWism. Two have done a slow fade. One was disfellowshiped after she had already learned the truth about the troof and know longer cared about the borg. She told the elders off when they visited her and subsequently got disfellowshiped. The others had never been baptized but had been indoctrinated through being brought up in JWism from childhood. I am currently working with a non-family member who is on his way out and whom I've encouraged to do a slow-fade as opposed to a disassociation.
I'd be very interested in any ex-JWs from Kenya and other African countries who are on this or other ex-JW web-sites. We can perhaps explore getting together in person like others do in North America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. I suppose the majority of ex-JWs from Africa who may be on the internet would be be from South Africa. I wonder if any of you have ever organized an apostafest and if not would you be interested in one and do you think it is feasible to orgazize one?
RM
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in my case, i was very generous with those in need in the congregation, because i had a good job, but when i lost that good job, no one gave me a helping hand.
they just didn't care about my financial well being.. also the years went by and it was as if we were getting further and further away from what they previously prophetized.
I grew up in JWism from age 6 when my father was getting indoctrinated. My grandma was very opposed and what she said resulted in cognitive dissonance in me. My cognitive dissonance only increased with time even I was getting baptized at age 12. It increased to the point where my emotional pain became too much to bear and I turned to the internet.
What I found out on the net and what I read in CoC and Apocalypse Delayed sealed my fate.
I'm happy that I was able to get my parents and simblings out of it by initially deliberately increasing their cognitive dissonance which in turn forced them to explore alternative perspectives.
over the last few years i have been trying unsucessfully to get my wife out of the org.
we've had a lot of ups & downs, arguments, and miserable times.
well, my wife has finally told me that she will respect my decision to no longer be a jw, and i can also do what i feel is best for our children in this respect.
I wish your questions had easy answers.
Here's my 2 cents worth of suggestions:
Our children are pre-teen, do I immediately stop allowing them to go to the KH? How do I explain our situation and begin "unteaching" them? How do I help them deal with missing the other kids at the KH?
My wife...do I keep trying to get her out or be happy with the compromise we reached? When I stop going to the meetings I know she is going to get all kinds of "support", how do I (or should I) counteract this?Could you keep up with meeting attendance till you have worked through my suggestion with regard to your children? That way your children are still likely to listen to what you say at the family "bible study". It will also likely stall the efforts of other JWs to "support" your wife and children "spiritually" if you were to completely cease all JW activities.
What do I do now? I want to be happy and have a real relationship with God, or understand my spiritual side. I want my wife and JW family to see that things are ok outside the WT walls and good people exist everywhere. I want to let the bitterness go and in time add something to the human experience. I want to be a friend to workmates or people that I meet in settings outside the KH...Even as you at least engage in JW meeting attendance, you could cultivate friendships with non-JW people say workmates and others whom you could very gently introduce to your family. With time your new friends children could start interracting with your children while their wives could start to interact with your wife. Such interraction might make your family get to see that so-called "worldly" people by the WTS are not the monsters they are made to be.
which brings up another question, and I feel stupid asking, but how/where do I meet people?
I know a lot of you have been at this point so I appreciate any answers or additional advice you can offer.I hope some of the advice above helps.
i live in brussels, belgium.
i became a witness at the age of 18. my parents were not quite happy.
my father forbade me to attend more than one meeting a week.
Welcome to the board Philip.
The June 15, 2000 Watchtower Questions from Readers article on what fractions of blood were acceptable/unacceptable was the final straw in my cognitive dissonance frame of mind that finally drove me to key in the name of Raymond Franz into an internet search engine in search of an alternative view from the official WTS one. The rest as the saying goes is history. I no longer believe in the borg.
12 years earlier, I had questioned "elders" in a judicial committee to provide me with answers as to why non-military national service was wrong. They could not provide me with a logical answer from the Bible only saying that it was the "F&D" slave's position.
I'm sure there are still very many in the borg suffering from cognitive dissonance. Your letter to the GB could help some who may be lurking here at JWD.
what became of craig's story of his life after he submitted it's 17th episode on nov 5, 2005?
that's the last episode i find of it.
anybody who can enlighten me of what happened after that?
Craig
Thank you for the update. I'll be on the look-out for the continuation of your story. Hope u can get the time 4 it sooner rather than latter. All the best.
lisa,
Perhaps going "back" to the future would be very useful to our healing assuming we would be able to see the eventual outcomes of our journies before we take all the steps! What's your take?
RM
what became of craig's story of his life after he submitted it's 17th episode on nov 5, 2005?
that's the last episode i find of it.
anybody who can enlighten me of what happened after that?
What became of Craig's story of his life after he submitted it's 17th episode on Nov 5, 2005? That's the last episode I find of it. Anybody who can enlighten me of what happened after that? I notice that Craig posted his last post on JWD on Dec 1, 2006. What became of him?
RM
sex drive linked to genetic makeup .
randy people have something in their genes that makes them sex-mad, scientists have found.
three out of 10 men and women find it harder to control their sexual urges because of the genetic fluke.
zagor
Thank you for the links. I'll visit the sites. Post whatever you can as you carry out further research.
soon (if they haven't already) local congregations of jws will welcome newly disillusioned former members of the bethel family.
the most potentially dangerous have been paid off already (but what do you mean?
weren't we all given severances equally proportionate to our years of devoted service?
Does anybody know if the down-sizing is being done in other countries branch offices of the borg? It's occured to me to try and contact a bethelite in my local borg's branch office whom I think could be vulnerable if they were to be kicked out.
Can someone give me a link to the thread on the downsizing?
sex drive linked to genetic makeup .
randy people have something in their genes that makes them sex-mad, scientists have found.
three out of 10 men and women find it harder to control their sexual urges because of the genetic fluke.
zagor
Do you have the link to the published results of the study. Alternatively, do you have the name of the journal, issue, date, page etc in which the results are published?
RM