Posts by WontLeave

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Polygamy question

by equinox in

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WontLeave

Wow... Just wow. I've never seen so many transparent logical fallacies in one place except for a page of examples of logical fallacies.

My argument (if you actually read the words, instead of making up your own points to argue against - called a "straw man") is against monogamy; not women. I never blamed women for men lying. I never blamed women for deadbeat dads. If you don't like the idea that women are more emotional than men, go flame Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus and every person with an education in human psychology. Bashing that statement only proudly displays your ignorance and denial. Interesting how my statement about men who shouldn't procreate was ignored, as you cherry-pick my post for things to pretend to be offended about. Really, you're just incensed because I dare oppose your idiotic, PC, feminist ranting. Sprinkle profusely with false dichotomies, ad hominem attacks, appeals to popularity (in your narrow mind), and purely-emotional tirades (thanks for the proof for that point, by the way) and - voila! - the entirety of your replies.

Let's see... Who else argues like that? Oh, yeah. JWs and other cult members. Call names, scream insults, deny, deny, deny despite all reality. Live in a world of your own creation that only exists in your mind, then spew hate at anyone who doesn't see your "reality". I don't hate women; I love them. But I don't worship them. If you have a problem with that, it's no wonder to me why you're here. You're only pissed off you couldn't be on the GB, because you're women. Awww... Did you want to be worshiped, like you believe all women should? You're feminists: Isn't that cute. Whatever you're angry about, I didn't do it and "men" in general didn't do it. Get over yourselves, grow up, and get real.

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Luke 21:8 - Who Should We Really Avoid?

by Darth Rutherford in

luke 21:8 - who should we really avoid?.

in his sign of the last days, jesus warned his followers: look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, i am he, and, the due time has approached.

(luke 21:8) jesus provides clues that help us identify who to avoid.

WontLeave

Nice points, Darth. I've been refering to that passage for a while, when dealing with elders demanding I obey them. I've never sat down and laid it out point-by-point, though; it's a very powerful scripture when you really look at it. I may incorporate some of that into a paper I've already written you might be interested in for additional ammunition when confronted by power-hungry elders and idolatrous JWs.

Do Christians Have Human Leaders?

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JWs and Jesus

by lilbluekitty in

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as many of you already know, i was raised in the "truth", 3rd generation on my mother's side, 5th or something on my dad's side so i've been a jw for a long time, not so much now.. anyway, those of you who either spent a long time in the religion or who actually came from a regular christian religion first or became one later, did any of you notice how jws feel about jesus?

though they're supposed to be "true" christians, they don't talk about christ much or don't talk about his sacrifice much.

i know jws (and i) don't believe in the trinity but what's wrong with being more thankful to him for what he did for us?

WontLeave

Of course the JWs have a problem with Jesus. He won't do what they tell him to! For 130 years, they've been deciding when it would be appropriate for him to come and he won't. They've rejected his example for just about everything. They've sided with the Pharisees, who were Jesus' enemies. They've pulled a "Korah" and usurped Jesus' position as head of the congregation. They've decided the "FDS" (whoever that is supposed to be) is hand-picked and directed by God, leaving Jesus out of the loop. Jesus has no place in JWs, because the Governing Body took it. After decades of being told "You people don't believe in Jesus", they've started paying lip service to the only-begotten son of God, to whom every knee shall bow. But, in reality, to the JW leaders, he's an inconvenience and a thorn in their sides.

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Anyone tried this site? Are they any good?

by Shador in

http://www.exjwsingles.com.

just wondering if anyone had tried this site or had opinions on it.. or, y'know, hey ladies, consider this an ad .

WontLeave

I met my wife on JWMatch. I didn't even have to pay. After a few months of just lurking there, I guess I had enough hits they gave me a free week. I made all my contacts, found many weren't checking it anymore or got married or engaged and never updated their profile, filtered out the weirdos (of whom there were many), and settled on one.

A few were DFed; one of whom's sister contacted me and told me to leave her alone because she had to focus on getting reinstated rather than dating. One waited until we'd been talking for a while and I drove for 6 hours to visit her to tell me she had herpes. I drove 6½ hours to visit another and discovered she'd posted pictures that were from 19 years ago. One was a nutjob, uber pioneer, Society-worshiper who demanded to know if I submitted to the GB. I had to block her, because she wouldn't leave me alone. One couldn't relocate because she had an open criminal case against her.

In my experience, some of the "JW" sites are just singles sites that have many names. They just lump you together after they get you signed up, thinking you're signing up for a targeted group. At best, some just throw the JWs who sign up in with "Christians".

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You might have a problem when the conversation ends with your wife walking away from you...fingers in her ears.....yelling " Jehovah help me! Jehovah help me!"

by oompa in

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but when they end like that three times....it's strike three... or maybe it was strike #3,333,333.......but it is sad and painful for us both i know.....a person must be in a very very bad place to act like that in front a man you have loved and been intimate with for 15 years....and at that moment i am satan in front of her....a begging pleading attempting to reason satan...but still satan to her and her friends.....but this nice woman needs satan out of her life now....oompa.

i am not a bad person...i am not satan...i asked her why she thought i had tried so hard....told her that if she was in a burning building just how hard would she think i would try to get her out??

she did not like that analogy either...so i have started the painful process...the building is going to burn to the ground now....and i will never put her through that fingers in ears thing again.... and i will be fair and reasonable....and pay her the alimony and give her half....i could so be a satan to her in divorce....but i won't!...i can at least prove to them all that i am decent man...and not mentally diseased or satan.....and ahhhhh i feel good about that....plus both my boys are free now...

WontLeave

Anyone who's ever tried to reason with a JW has had this happen; family, "friends", people at the door, etc. To a brainwashed cult member, the truth is like sunlight to vampires (or to darkness). Darkness flees in the presence of light. Either their minds release the darkness, or they physically flee. Cognitive dissonance demands the mental zombies relieve the discomfort of facing the impossibility of what they believe. Relearning an entire life's worth of indoctrination is difficult and daunting. It's much easier to simply attack the messenger and deny, deny, deny.

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JWs and Jesus

by lilbluekitty in

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friends

as many of you already know, i was raised in the "truth", 3rd generation on my mother's side, 5th or something on my dad's side so i've been a jw for a long time, not so much now.. anyway, those of you who either spent a long time in the religion or who actually came from a regular christian religion first or became one later, did any of you notice how jws feel about jesus?

though they're supposed to be "true" christians, they don't talk about christ much or don't talk about his sacrifice much.

i know jws (and i) don't believe in the trinity but what's wrong with being more thankful to him for what he did for us?

WontLeave

Do "JW" and "Jesus" even belong in the same discussion? When I was a child, on the sparse occasions my parents went to a meeting, Jesus was never mentioned. To hear "Jesus" from a preacher was how a JW from the '80s recognized "false religion". The JWs would feign the same disgust at the sound of "Jesus" as they would when seeing churches and holiday decorations.

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Why would God be racist?

by mankkeli in

in the old testament, can you think of any conceivable reason that an all knowing all powerful god might logically select one small desert tribe in the desert to be his "chosen" people, and leave all the other races of the world out?

isn't that a bit racist?

i mean, he did not choose chinese people, or african people, he specifically chose the jews, and at least as far as i've seen in the narrative, he pretty much lets them treat everyone else however they like.. .

WontLeave

"Jewish" is hardly a race. They're middle-eastern and indistinguishable from people of other nations in the area. The Jews were simply descendants of Abraham. They weren't a race, so much as a family.

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Beards and Overstepping the Commandment of God

by Darth Rutherford in

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why is it you also overstep the commandment of god because of your tradition?

like the pharisees, the watchtower is overstepping the commandment of god because of tradition.

(psalm 118:9; 146:3) yet, where does jehovah, through his word, command a christian not to grow a beard at all?

WontLeave

The "beard ban" was the first of many red flags I was introduced to by my BOE in my first congregation. I believe it's what began my rethinking the JW cult. When "obeying the FDS" was made clear to be far more important than relying on God's Word, it started stoking my curiosity about what else they had totally wrong and made up for their own idolatrous glory. It wasn't long before I had a tidy pile of man-made garbage the Society simply decreed as "truth" with no foundation whatsoever.

I discovered some elders will respect you for defending a position of Christian freedom from Scripture and let it go. Others are power-hungry losers who are only elders because they crave the "glory" of the pseudo-position. Those don't give a pile of dingo's kidneys what the Bible says, and will say as much in no uncertain terms. The COBE of my current congregation told me - and I quote: "This is a private organization and we'll do whatever we want." He went on to invoke the new verbal contract of the baptism questions. I told him Jesus said "anyone thirsting, come" and that sounded pretty open to the public to me. His face was so red, I thought he was going to have a stroke right there.

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Ban Sisters from wearing pants/slacks!!! Why? Who "wears the pants" at the hall?

by Witness 007 in

in 1979 my mum was studying and came to the meeting in a womens suit with pants/slacks.

she was told by her teacher not to wear pants to the meetings only dresses.

well, my mother never wore pants again....ever!

WontLeave

It's a male chauvinist thing.

And the beard ban? Try, "It's a control thing." Wear a T-shirt to a JW party that has the name of your favorite band on it. If it isn't the Wiggles, you'll probably get "counseled" on it. I've been dragged into the back room over a beard, ties, wearing a hat, etc. JWs are a cult and everyone must look the same. Anything that's different makes the cult members uncomforable. Interestingly, they'll try to invoke "Christian unity" as a reason. This is odd, because Jesus said "the world" only loves its own and hates anyone different. To attempt to twist that into a "Christian" attitude is disgusting and blasphemous.

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JWs preparing for some "Special Top Secret Meeting" does anyone knows about this?

by Free!! in

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i was talking to one of my jw ex-friends today (we keep in contact every once in a while) and she was all excited telling me about the new arregment, a special meeting only for elders, their wives, pioneers and other sheep of "exemplary" conduct... (of course she was invited)..... something about one meeting from bethel that is going to be broadcasted to everyone at assembly halls and translated via radio for those who cannot speak english... is by invitation only (and they are "being discreet w the invitations to avoid offend the ones not invited") and they even gave them tickets they have to present at the door..... anyone has the scoop??

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WontLeave

Things like this are the JW version of "Employee of the Month" plaques. There are entire books for managers on how to get more work out of employees without ever giving them any more money. Titles, "privileges", secret books, exclusive meetings, etc. are ways to get the slaves to row faster. Combine that with threats of both human and divine source and it makes the hours, placements, and donations add up.