Posts by Vanderhoven7

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What do you make of this recent article regarding the United Nations stance towards overriding religions of the world on certain matters?

by devout_no_more in

first of all, this is my first post here on the forums even though i have been registered now for some time.

i have been faded from the jehovah's witness religion for many years now, but only recently within the past year or so gotten quite serious about it - crisis of conscience by ramond franz really kicked things off for me personally.. anyway, my wife, parents, step-sister and her husband and my half-brother are all still active jw's, so i am still exposed to them, and this is also the reason why i'm still "faded".

frankly i'd probably just as soon disassociate myself without the threat of being shunned.

Vanderhoven7

Examine the record. The Watchtower has been 100% wrong interpreting biblical prophecy. Why should that change. Just more nonsensical, baseless prophetic speculation.

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What do you make of this recent article regarding the United Nations stance towards overriding religions of the world on certain matters?

by devout_no_more in

first of all, this is my first post here on the forums even though i have been registered now for some time.

i have been faded from the jehovah's witness religion for many years now, but only recently within the past year or so gotten quite serious about it - crisis of conscience by ramond franz really kicked things off for me personally.. anyway, my wife, parents, step-sister and her husband and my half-brother are all still active jw's, so i am still exposed to them, and this is also the reason why i'm still "faded".

frankly i'd probably just as soon disassociate myself without the threat of being shunned.

Vanderhoven7

Devout-no-more

Great introductory post. Thanks for sharing where you are at the moment.

Let me be first to welcome you to the forum and wish you God's best for your future.

This is a great place to continue shedding some of that infernal Watchtower indoctrination.

Vander

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What is this forum for?

by Kate14 in

i'm new.. my first post here asking for a little support was deleted by myself due to the frosty and rude replies i received.

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i don't actually understand what this forum is for if it is filled with hostile people.. little confused.. why is everyone here?.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Kate,

I hear your plea for help. You don't know how close you are to the Kingdom of God. He thinks you are wonderful btw. Stick it our for a bit longer and you will be encouraged.

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Hello

by BoogerMan in

not a lot to say, except that i studied with jw's then gave up when i realised it wasn't the truth as they call it.. the ordinary jw's are generally nice people, but their elders are mostly little dictators from what i saw.

look forward to meeting people here who are less judgemental..

Vanderhoven7

Welcome to the forum Bman!

Glad you realized early that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is anything but the truth. What got you studying with them? Any other family members involved?

Looking forward to hearing more from you as you feel led to share.

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Does prophesy negate free will?

by Tim207 in

not sure if this is in the right subject but here it goes.

i’ve asked this question to a few elders and bethelites but they don’t seem to understand or like the question.

to start off we have to agree that jehovah is all powerful.

Vanderhoven7

MMM

The choice comes first logically. The choice causes the pre-knowledge, not the other way around. If you choose differently, God would know that choice. But you still had the free will to make the choice.

I think you summarize the argument rather nicely. One reason I am against Calvinism is precisely because it denies free will

https://youtu.be/wvdwjXM6MN4

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Venting: I absolutly dispise the JW religion with all my heart

by goingthruthemotions in

i absolutly hate the jw religion.

i hate the fact that my wife whom i love with all my heart is so brainwashed by them.

i hate them pos's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vanderhoven7

I hate the religion also. The humble sheeple I have great sympathy for. They know not what they profess.

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Fading

by Cordelia18 in

jw
friends

hi i was on here a few years ago, i ended up caving to family pressure and returning to the borg i've since married and have 2 children .

all the reasons i returned are still here, my parents are elderly and i really don't want to hurt them but i just can't do it anymore i need to leave before my kids are brainwashed, i need to be clever this time .

last time i was dfed and became dependant on drink i am in aa and sober now and learning the true meaning of sprituality i know without a doubt that it is a dangerous cult, but i need some tips on fading, its so hard when i want to shout from the roof tops how blind they are.

Vanderhoven7

I am glad both you and your husband are awake. COVID provides the perfect scenario for you to start your fade.

Theocratic Warfare Suggestions:

First step...change your phone number and have your new number blocked. Also change your email accounts and be selective about who you write to.

I'm sure you will soon get plenty of good advice about how to plan your fade from forum members who have already successfully faded.

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Ever wonder how to be "saved" as a JW?

by sir82 in

i was searching for something on the wt online library, and was struck by all the requirements a jw has in order to be "saved".. want to see a partial list?

all these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol.

just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!.

Vanderhoven7

Just got a post from a JW who told me he was saved.

I wrote back

The Bible says of the saved that the blood of Jesus Christ God's Son cleanses us from all sin. So are all your sins forgiven and are you declared righteous? In other words are you justified before God?
And if not, what do you mean when you say that you are saved?

He wrote back:

By studying the Bible and applying it in my life. I learned that "Salvation" involves:

Gaining accurate knowledge of God and Jesus.—John 17:3.

Exercising faith.—Romans 10:17; Hebrews 11:6.

Repenting and turning around.—Acts 3:19; Ephesians 4:22-24.

Dedication and baptism.—Matthew 16:24; 28:19, 20.

Continuing to make public declaration.—Matthew 24:14;Romans 10:10.

Doing these thing has put me on the road to salvation from sin and death.

And the blessing of everlasting life on a paradise earth

I can call Jehovah. My GOD. My Father and my Friend.

“Prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens.”—Matt. 5:45.

“[Abraham] came to be called Jehovah’s friend.”—JAMES 2:23.; Isaiah 41:8; 2 Chronicles 20:7.

That's what I mean by Salvation.

How would you respond to this JW?

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New DNA Study Confirms Noah

by notsurewheretogo in

http://www.icr.org/article/9325/.

amazing read...go on , have a laugh if you want to.. new dna study confirms noah.

by brian thomas, m.s.

Vanderhoven7

Carnby,

I see this is your first post. Welcome to the forum! Hope you enjoy your time with us..

Vander

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Coping/Living/Understanding

by justangel in

i’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.

i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .

i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Angel

Your parents love you and want the best for you. Like the Watchtower, they are simply using repetition in the hope that you will grow to doubt your doubts.Feel sorry for them, do all the research you want into the organization but i recommend keeping your doubts and disagreements to yourself. I know it is and will continue to be hard. I think it wise not to try reverse witnessing strategies on them to get them to change. "OK let me think about that" could be a common phrase in your vocabulary to ward off further discussion.

What you especially don't want is for your Mom to become frantic about your listening to satan and call in the elders to give you spiritual counseling which may lead to disfellowship.

Hang in there Gal and stay connected with this forum.

God bless