Hi NBD
Had to chuckle for a moment.
As I see it Armageddon did happen almost 40 years from the Olivet discourse....immediately at the close of the unrepeatable localized tribulation.
Vanderhoven7
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“This generation will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman infor argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
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“This generation will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman infor argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
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Vanderhoven7
"Finally it was anyone who knew anyone who was born by 1914, which is where I think it went off the rails."
How anyone could believe this was not a desperation move by the Faithful Slave to salvage their 1914 dogma is beyond me.
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“This generation will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman infor argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
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Vanderhoven7
The youngest, i.e., babies born in 1914, are 107 today. When Jesus said that surely this generation would not pass away, he was obviously talking about a thriving generation; not a decrepit few barely hanging onto life.
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Why are Jehovah's Witnesses determined to be WRONG (about saying JUH-HO-VUH and JEE-Suss)?
by Terry inall throughout history in greek, hebrew, and latin languages - there was no j sound!
no jay sound.. .
why did christians start using a non-hebrew name for the son of god?
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Vanderhoven7
Re: The Real Name of God
What did Nehemia Gordon find in the Vatican Junk-Box?
Apparently the real name of God.
Hebrew Luke and John found in Vatican Junk Box – NehemiasWall.com
It is always fun to see Nehemia Gordon's enthusiasm over discoveries related to God's personal name.
However, I for one do not think it is at all important to know the exact Hebrew pronounciation of the Father's name or the Son's name for that matter. And I don't believe that proclaiming God's name means anything more than teaching and demonstrating His Person, attributes and character. The Pharisees may have known God's personal name and used it often, yet they were of another father.
The fact that there are first century fragments of John and Luke's gospels in Hebrew does not prove they predated those written in Greek. Nor does it prove that God’s name was in the originals. The fact is that none of the thousands of ancient Greek manuscripts or fragments thereof have the name.
That being said, I do believe that Yahovah with the accent on the last syllable is most likely right on. Nonetheless, I have no problem with those using Jehovah, or Yahweh and believe those are more accurate renderings of the divine name. In other words l don't think it's an issue of any importance.
If I had never heard my earthly father's first name, I would love him no less today....because I know him and what he did and what he was like.
ONLY those who pride themselves in knowing and using and teaching the name, should at least get it right...as Terry points out.
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“This generation will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman infor argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
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Actually Russell predicted 1914 would bring on Armageddon or the end of human government.
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“This generation will by no means pass away.”
by Fisherman infor argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
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The generation Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:34 is identical to the one he spoke about in Matthew 23:36.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mt 24:34
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23:36
And incidentally, wherever the Greek word “genea” appears alone in the gospels, it is used to delineate “one set of parents to the next”. However, whenever genea is preceded by the definite article “this” (houtos) before “generation”, “this generation” (houtos genea), in context, clearly covers the same group of people, i.e., “Christ's contemporaries”
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IMHO the finest TV interview with Ex-JW's ever broadcast!
by Terry inquite effective and enjoyable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijzvt_jptx8&t=1306s.
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Vanderhoven7
An oldie, but a goodie. I was just about to post this one myself and then I saw it was already posted. A real find Terry.
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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.
remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.
a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.
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Disillusioned JW
Yes, its fascinating to see them denegrate the Bible to elevate their own importance.
"Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1981, p. 27).
WT 10/1/1967: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."
WT 1/15/1983: "Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization? No, we cannot!"
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Fascinating Quotations of The Faithful Slave
by Vanderhoven7 indo you have any amazing quotations that have been produced by the faithful slave over the years?.
remember it's important that we should learn to love and value truth for it’s own sake; to respect and honor it by owning and acknowledging it wherever we find it and by whomever presented.
a truth presented by the faithful slave himself is just as true as a truth stated by god.. share some of those amazing quotations that have fascinated you.
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What do you think about this quotation?
Dealing with the relative value of the bible vs the publications
“... not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years - if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the SCRIPTURE STUDIES with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures.” Watchtower: September 15, 1910, page 298
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WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?
by Fisherman inwhen is the kingdom of god coming?.
on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!
the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .
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Jesus, on the subject of the parousia in Matthew 24, says to his disciples:
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father..... they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.....42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.