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  Happy Halloween

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  first time celebrating halloween.

  guess my costume!.

  pretty scary huh?.

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  First time celebrating Halloween. Guess my costume!

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  Pretty Scary huh?
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  Watchtower Double Speak

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  on eternal life.

  "none of us are in position to earn god’s gifts, least of all to earn the gift of life.

  but we can show ourselves worthy of the gift of eternal life by … dedicating ourselves to jehovah and then proving faithful to that dedication.” (the watchtower, august 15, 1952, p. 485).

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  @Ding

  Right on. According to the the Watchtower August 15, 1972 p.419 entitled, "Working Hard for the Reward of Eternal Life"

  "19 Not only a right view of the preaching work is needed, but a right view of the reward. Do not be mistaken, working for the reward can indeed be harmonized with working out of love for God. How is that? It is God who holds out the reward and bids us to strive to gain it."

  The Watchtower version of eternal life is the proverbial carrot on a stick. Keep working hard to survive Armageddon and then work for 1000 more years to gain eternal life. You are never sure if you are making yourself worthy of the reward. Such a pathetic gospel.
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  Watchtower Double Speak

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  on eternal life.

  "none of us are in position to earn god’s gifts, least of all to earn the gift of life.

  but we can show ourselves worthy of the gift of eternal life by … dedicating ourselves to jehovah and then proving faithful to that dedication.” (the watchtower, august 15, 1952, p. 485).

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  On eternal life

  "None of us are in position to earn God’s gifts, least of all to earn the gift of life. But we can show ourselves worthy of the gift of eternal life by … dedicating ourselves to Jehovah and then proving faithful to that dedication.” (The Watchtower, August 15, 1952, p. 485)
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  "Already explained that in a previous post."

  Your explanation does not justify your organization's judgments. Your organization has judged that millions of Christians who were martyred for their faith in Christ prior to the 20th century were not real Christians. Similarly today your Governing Body has judged all who name the name of Christ that are not JWs are also professed but not real Christians and therefore worthy of destruction if alive when Armageddon strikes. And you agree with them.

  On what basis do Jehovah's Witnesses judge that those millions martyred prior to the twentieth century were not Christians?
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  There is a difference between adjudication and interpretation.

  Evidently Watchtower has judged that Adam is not worthy of a resurrection. Not only has the Governing Body determined that Adam will be eternally destroyed, but they also have judged that all apostates to their organization are not worthy of a resurrection and that 8 billion non-JWs will be eternally destroyed at Armageddon as well.
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  Thanks Fisherman

  The Watchtower has decided Adams eternal fate. I thought that was up to Jehovah?
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  According to JWs, will Adam be resurrected to judgment, resurrected to glory ... or will he not be resurrected at all?

  How about people who died in the flood and those God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah?
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  I thought the Governing Body determined that one's death paud for sins committed in this life. Have they had new light
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  Excellent point Linda!
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

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  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Vanderhoven7

  The gospel which Paul preached is the gospel by which we are saved. (I Cor.15:2)
  

  Not only do Watchtower Witnesses mess with gospel content, but they also distort the nature of salvation the gospel provides. The nature of biblical salvation is justification.

  There are three aspects of spiritual salvation in the New Testament

  There is Salvation from:

  sins penalty – Ro.6:23, 5:16 - Justification (past, accomplished)

  sins power – I Cor.1:30, 6:11, Heb13:12 - Sanctification (progressive process)

  sins presence – Ro. 8:30, I Pe. 5:4 - Glorification (future heavenly hope)

  I Pe.1:3-4, Col.1:3-5

  However, 8.5 million JWs believe a gospel which does not save or justify them. They redefine salvation as survival into the new earth where they can attain justification through 1000 years of obedience. After working all their current lives as Witnesses for this promised potential survival, those JWs who are raised from death will join the rest of unjustified humanity, i.e., adulterers, pimps, fraudsters, witches and warlocks etc. to work along with them for eternal life on earth. If only they hadn't heard the Watchtower gospel, they too could have had fun in this life and got a free pass to the new earth.

  Now, here is the gospel truth. All Believers in Christ are Justified

  Acts 2: 38-39 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

  Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

  Acts 13:38-39 38 Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

  Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

  Romans 3:21-26 21 But now God has shown us His righteousness; the law and the prophets tell us about it...God's righteousness comes to all who believe, just by their believing in Jesus Christ. There is no distinction. All have sinned and are without God's glory. They become righteous by a gift of His love, by the ransom Christ Jesus paid to free them. God set Him up publicly to pour out His blood before God to take away sin through faith, to show His righteousness...Now He wanted to show His righteousness, to be righteous Himself and make righteous anyone who believes in Jesus. (Beck)