Posts by Vanderhoven7

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July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

by BoogerMan in

is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

which he said would never occur again?

(matthew 24:21).

Vanderhoven7

The synoptics support that the great tribulation Jesus spoke about would be an unrepeatable local event.

Matthew 24:15-21 The Sign to Flee Jerusalem’s Tribulation & Destruction:

15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mark 13:14-19 The Sign to Flee Jerusalem’s Tribulation & Destruction:

14. But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

Luke 21:20-24 The Sign to Flee Jerusalem’s Tribulation & Destruction:

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

by BoogerMan in

is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

which he said would never occur again?

(matthew 24:21).

Vanderhoven7

The Great Tribulation described in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. It was local (Judea, Jerusalem), affecting the Jewish nation culminating in either slaughtered or dispersion among the nations in slavery. Check out Ralph Woodrow's article THE GREAT TRIBULATION — FUTURE OR FULFILLED?

Matthew: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (24:21, 22).

Mark: “For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days” (13:19, 20).

Luke: “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled . . . for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles” (21:22-24).

Unless we completely ignore the setting, it is evident that the tribulation mentioned here is that which was to come upon the people of Jerusalem and Judea — tribulation which would result in the destruction of the city and temple. As we have seen, Jesus spoke of various things that would come to pass first — wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, etc. None of these would be the sign of the impending desolation. But when they would see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then they would know that the desolation was nigh, and they should flee into the mountains. Why? “For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION”, wrote Matthew. Luke’s account says: “For then shall be GREAT DISTRESS in the land [Judea], and wrath upon this people [the Jews]. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles.”

According to the scriptures, the “great tribulation” of which Christ spoke was to bring great affliction, distress, and wrath upon the Jews and destruction upon their city and temple.

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" Millions Now Living Will Never Die" Ray Franz Thoughts from " Crisis of C "

by flipper in

jw
friends

of course this has been hashed and re-hashed as all of you know the feb. 15th wt is re-directing jw's to read the title of rutherford's talk as " millions now living may never die.

" however in reading crisis of conscience a second time - i found it interesting to see what ray franz said about this quote.. remember he wrote this book in 1983 , so keep it in mind when reading his quotes about this " millions " quote.

on pg.

Vanderhoven7

Here for the original text.

http://books.google.com/books?id=uFn7PQJeorwC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Millions+Now+Living+Will+Never+Die&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Yes millions in 1922 would never die because the end was coming in 1925.

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Stage 4 Cancer, Stem Cell Transplant and Blood Transfusions

by NJ501 in

today, i received a call from my oncologist nurse.

she informed me that i will need to sign a consent form for a blood transfusion.

the doctor will see me next wednesday to go through the consent form with me.

Vanderhoven7

Would your doctor be upset if he told you to abstain from meat and he learned you had a liver transplant?

By the way, billions of white blood cells are transferred from donor to recipient with every major organ transplant permitted now by the organization.

Million of white blood cells are passed from mother to nursing baby at every feeding.

The GB simply talk out of their hats.

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WHAT DO Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

by Vanderhoven7 in

please add or correct the following written by helge kare fauskanger.

"for starters, imagine a distinctly insular form of protestant fundamentalism minus the trinity (god and jesus are held to be separate beings, and the holy spirit is god's active power rather than a person).

note: since the witnesses want to think of their faith as something absolutely unique, they themselves will not agree that they are either protestant or fundamentalist.. * very important to call god by his proper name of jehovah, and as noted, you must not get him mixed up with jesus.

Vanderhoven7

Punky was right.

1¶After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come....

5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.

6And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

7And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Actually, this is the only time in the Greek New Testament you find "house to house". οἰκίας εἰς οἰκίαν. And of course the command is literally "Go Not From House To House". In other words find a proper place to stay in each city and reside there until your work in that city is complete. Don't go looking for other homes to stay at.

In other instances the Greek words often translated "house to house" are κατ᾽ οἴκους which means, "in homes" or "according to homes".

None of the instances where you find the latter are about going door to door down the street on Saturday mornings or any other morning.

And there is no command anywhere to go door to door or to do cart witnessing or write letters during pandemics.

There us nothing wrong with these different methods of evangelism, but no one method is specifically commanded.

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Stage 4 Cancer, Stem Cell Transplant and Blood Transfusions

by NJ501 in

today, i received a call from my oncologist nurse.

she informed me that i will need to sign a consent form for a blood transfusion.

the doctor will see me next wednesday to go through the consent form with me.

Vanderhoven7

The Bible says nothing about blood transfusions. And even if you are in the home of a pagan who cooks up things strangled, you need not ask questions of conscience. Even Jewish farmers under the law could eat animals found dead in their fields as long as they wash their clothes by evening. (Lev 11:39-40)

39 “‘If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches its carcass will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of its carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.

(Lev 17:15-16)

15 “‘Anyone, whether native-born or foreigner, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then they will be clean. 16 But if they do not wash their clothes and bathe themselves, they will be held responsible.’”

The instructions in Acts 15 were designed to foster fellowship between Jews and Gentile converts.

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A year since I have been back

by Lee Marsh in

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friends

a year ago i came back to jwd.

the 2 years before that.

when covid stated, i was diagnosed with colon cancer.

Vanderhoven7

It's been a difficult two years for you. May your health only continue to improve.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Vanderhoven7

Good correction DJW!

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A Jehovah's Witness in a relationship with a non-Jehovah's Witness

by KShelton in

my name is kevin shelton.

my wife is a jehovah's witness.

my two children are jehovah's witnesses.

Vanderhoven7

To the father of the girl I would say, don't allow your daughter to date until after high school. Before that and you will mess with their education, their emotions, their hormones and your relationship. I hate to sound crude, but when you have a son, you only have to worry about one putz.....

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WHAT DO Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

by Vanderhoven7 in

please add or correct the following written by helge kare fauskanger.

"for starters, imagine a distinctly insular form of protestant fundamentalism minus the trinity (god and jesus are held to be separate beings, and the holy spirit is god's active power rather than a person).

note: since the witnesses want to think of their faith as something absolutely unique, they themselves will not agree that they are either protestant or fundamentalist.. * very important to call god by his proper name of jehovah, and as noted, you must not get him mixed up with jesus.

Vanderhoven7

Good point!

In the July 1, 1995 issue of the Watchtower, in an article on baptism, under the subheading of "Requirements", it says:

"It is expected of the dedicated one …will fully bear his responsibilities as a minister, a preacher in the field service from house to house, and otherwise participate fully in the activities of the New World Society, to advance the proclamation of the Kingdom and uphold the true worship of Jehovah. The dedicated one must be a house-to-house witness as was Christ Jesus and the apostles to the extent of his ability..."

In the July 1, 1995 issue of the Watchtower, in an article on baptism, under the subheading of "Requirements", it says:

"It is expected of the dedicated one …will fully bear his responsibilities as a minister, a preacher in the field service from house to house, and otherwise participate fully in the activities of the New World Society, to advance the proclamation of the Kingdom and uphold the true worship of Jehovah. The dedicated one must be a house-to-house witness as was Christ Jesus and the apostles to the extent of his ability..."

This is a must; this is a requirement or criteria for WTS baptism.