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  Sign of the Last Days

  by Fisherman in

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  in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

  using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

  how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

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  OK! What do wars, famines and pestilences symbolize?
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  Sign of the Last Days

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

  using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

  how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

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  @ Fisherman

  You mention earthquakes. Has there been an unprecedented increase in the number, severity and/or loss of life from earthquakes etc. since 1914?

  If an escalation since 1914 in earthquake frequency, severity and human loss are a sign of Christ's presence, then logically their diminishing since 1914 can only witness to his non-presence.
  

  A comparison of earthquake victims 1715-1783 vrs. 1915-1983

  The annual average deaths caused by earthquakes worldwide

  - from 1715 - 1783 (68 years) was 19,911.

  - from 1915 - 1983 (68 years) was 17,545

  nb. given that the population during the 20th century was 6 times that of the 18th century, earthquakes of 18th century, in terms of ratio of human destruction, far surpasses that of the 20th century.

  nb. the annual average deaths caused by earthquakes in the 68 years preceding 1914 was between 17,149 and 18, 671 Do earthquakes, give us any indication or sign that Christ returned in 1914?
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  Ha, I'm preaching on standing (Eph 6) on Sunday morning.

  What does standing mean in the context of Christian warfare?

  It means you haven't lost your faith, peace...joy....cool

  It means you know God is still on the throne

  It means you know that greater is He that is in you...

  You stand by faith...in the word of God,

  You stand by faith... in the promises of God

  You stand by faith...in the faithfulness of God.

  You stand by faith... in the work of God.

  In other words...you stand by faith in the gospel of Christ
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

  1. jw
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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  Vanderhoven7

  I stand corrected.

  
  
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

  1. jw
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  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  I think their main interest is protecting Jehovah's Governing Body.

  Remember Sheba son of Bicri! (2 Sam,20:21)
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  FACT: The "faithful slave" was personally selected in 1919......

  by BoogerMan in

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  .........by the elite in the wtbts, who then became the self-proclaimed "faithful slave.

  " (sans divine interference!).

  as attested to countless times in decades worth of literature.. all succeeding members were then "personally selected" by existing "slave" members.

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  And none of the original appointees, who were proclaiming Pastor Russell as the Slave, ever claimed that office. It was only in 2012 that the GB realized who was appointed and when. Of course the truth is that Joseph Smith was appointed to restore the priesthood in 1831 when Jesus and Father God commissioned him in a vision.
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  Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

  by Teddnzo in

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  multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

  larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

  many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

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  https://youtu.be/Afo6-Iyj_mk?si=rXVTUQCT3liL4IZC
  
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  Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

  by smiddy3 in

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  i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

  to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

  to break the law?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Posted Grabt Davis' cautionary comments on the other thread as well...

  "Selena also said that Tony Morris’ match illustration was an instruction to burn her house down. Something she claims has happened to her twice.

  She also said that she was asked if she wanted to help cover up CSA.

  She also said that Watchtower regularly kills people and gets Google to cover it up.

  She says that Watchtower has tried to poison her numerous times.

  I really think that submitting anything speculative about TM3 when reporting the claims of someone who obviously has problems, hampers apostate moves in presenting verifiable facts.

  I have little doubt that this is a woman who might well have been abused, but looking at her weird videos and super extraordinary claims, puts an invaluable slant on the veracity of her claims.
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  Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile

  by MebyonKernow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.

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  Grant Davis writes concerning Selena's credibility:

  "Selena also said that Tony Morris’ match illustration was an instruction to burn her house down. Something she claims has happened to her twice.

  She also said that she was asked if she wanted to help cover up CSA.

  She also said that Watchtower regularly kills people and gets Google to cover it up.

  She says that Watchtower has tried to poison her numerous times.

  I really think that submitting anything speculative about TM3 when reporting the claims of someone who obviously has problems, hampers apostate moves in presenting verifiable facts.

  I have little doubt that this is a woman who might well have been abused, but looking at her weird videos and super extraordinary claims, puts an invaluable slant on the veracity of her claims.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  Evidence for the early writing (Pre-70 AD)

  The preface comment to the Book of Revelation in the Aramaic Peshitta version has a comment which would place the writing of the Book of Revelation to the early date, a time prior to 70 AD. The title page of the Book of Revelation contains the following statement: "The revelation which God gave the evangelist John on the island of Patmos where he had been banned by Nero Caesar." The emperor Nero however died in 68 AD, and according to Roman rules those banned by a Caesar would be released after the Caesar's death ... thus, John would have been released from Patmos in 68 AD (or shortly thereafter) and the time when he received this revelation and wrote it down would have been prior to 70 AD. John himself mentions in the book that he was at Patmos, when he received this revelation.

  Internal evidence

  There are a number of points arising from the internal evidence, that is, from information given in the book itself, which all indicate the early date as not only probable but the only possible date for what is stated in the Book.

  Warnings to seven churches in Asia

  The Book of Revelation specifically mentions that this revelation was of special relevance to the seven churches in Asia and that John wrote it and had it sent to those churches by messengers (cp Rev 1:4). It is important to note that during Paul's ministry in the 50ies AD, there had been nine churches established in Asia. At about 60/61 AD there was a large earthquake in which, as we can read in secular sources, the cities of Colossae, Hierapolis and Laodicea were totally destroyed. Laodicea was the only city of these three which was rebuilt soon afterwards, which then left seven cities with churches in Asia. The period of time where there were only seven churches in Asia was only during the few years from the early 60ies AD to the time prior to the Jewish war.

  In order for the book to even be of benefit to the Christians in Asia, it must have been written prior to 66/67 AD, before Vespasian was coming through this area with his armies as they were getting in position for the war against the Jews. Once the war started, the Romans plundered and persecuted the Christians as well as the Jews wherever they came through.

  An interesting detail from the message to the church at Philadelphia (cp Rev 3:7ff) also sheds some light on the possible time of writing. The believers at Philadelphia are warned by Christ in this revelation that an "hour of temptation" was imminent and "about to come upon all the world [the Roman empire]" and that they should hold fast and remain faithful as he [Christ] was coming soon. This is important and significant in that it is addressed to believers of a church in the 1st century AD and in that the first persecution of Christians all over the Roman empire took place under Nero Caesar in 64 AD. If this warning to the believers in Asia about an imminent temptation and the encouragement to hold fast related to this persecution, then the book seems to have been written even prior to 64 AD.

  John's later activities

  Another internal evidence in the book itself is connected to a reference about certain activities which John was still to experience in his life afterwards. In Rev 10:11, John is told that he "must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings". Now, if John would have received this revelation in 96AD and written it at that time, then these words which he was told did not come to pass, seeing that he was a very old man at that time and hardly able to walk and travel. But, if John did receive this revelation and write it down during the time of Nero approx 65-66 AD, then he could fulfill what he was told. He would have been able to prophesy and to teach during the reigns of Caeasars Galba, Otho, Vitellius, Vespasian, Titus and also Domitian (spanning the time from 68-96 AD).

  Destruction of city and temple at the end of the age

  There are a number of references in the book of Revelation with symbols that have reference to the temple, and in addition Rev 11,1-2 makes reference to the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem. This event was also foretold by Jesus, when he prophesied about the judgment on Jerusalem which was to come by the Son of man at the end of the age.

  There is a parallel record in Zec 14:2 about this "day of the Lord" with its destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, and Zec 13:7ff places this shortly after the shepherd would have dispersed his sheep (Jesus did quote from this section in Mt 26,31). Rev 11,2 is also a parallel to Mal 4, where a day of the Lord is spoken about when the Lord would separate and burn the chaff (the evil ones). This also parallels what Jesus mentions in parables about the burning of the chaff, the burning of apostate Israel, "at the end of the world [age]" (cp Mt 13:40,49).

  Now, when is or was "the end of the age"? Other records in the NT scriptures provide some insight as they mention certain things which happen in connection with the end of the age. The writer of Hebrews speaks of Jesus as "now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." (Heb 9:26), and we can see from this passage that "the end of the world [age]"is the time when the Messiah Jesus through his sacrifice put away sin; in other words, the "end of the age" was the time during which Jesus lived and fulfilled his ministry almost 2000 years ago.