My take is that the 144,000 symbolically represent the entire church of God...which are described as an innumerable group of sanctified believers. The hearing and then seeing is a literary device John uses to display the images in Revelation. Like he hears the Lion and turns and sees the Lamb.
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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?
by Sea Breeze inno mystery here.
they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.
so, why all the muck and fuss?
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Mandated Shunning is a Crime
by Lee Marsh inmandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
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Vanderhoven7
"The simplest (and, IMO, most elegant) solution is initiate legislation that any organization who shuns - religious or secular - becomes ineligible for charity status / tax exemption."
Perfect solution VI.
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Sign of the Last Days
by Fisherman inin the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?
using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?
how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Sue,
So the composite sign Jesus gave wasn't really about wars and rumours of wars and nation rising against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
He was really saying you will know that I am present when you see a significant increase in the conflict between good and evil, a widespread absence of spiritual truth, spiritual sickness and mental disease and political upheavals in different places....which all clearly came to pass starting in 1914.
Do you have any confirmation of this symbolism in the Watchtower or Awake?
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Sign of the Last Days
by Fisherman inin the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?
using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?
how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.
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Vanderhoven7
Hi Sue,
And wars symbolize ?
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Sign of the Last Days
by Fisherman inin the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?
using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?
how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.
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Vanderhoven7
OK! What do wars, famines and pestilences symbolize?
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Sign of the Last Days
by Fisherman inin the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?
using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?
how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.
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Vanderhoven7
@ Fisherman
You mention earthquakes. Has there been an unprecedented increase in the number, severity and/or loss of life from earthquakes etc. since 1914?
If an escalation since 1914 in earthquake frequency, severity and human loss are a sign of Christ's presence, then logically their diminishing since 1914 can only witness to his non-presence.
A comparison of earthquake victims 1715-1783 vrs. 1915-1983
The annual average deaths caused by earthquakes worldwide
- from 1715 - 1783 (68 years) was 19,911.
- from 1915 - 1983 (68 years) was 17,545
nb. given that the population during the 20th century was 6 times that of the 18th century, earthquakes of 18th century, in terms of ratio of human destruction, far surpasses that of the 20th century.
nb. the annual average deaths caused by earthquakes in the 68 years preceding 1914 was between 17,149 and 18, 671 Do earthquakes, give us any indication or sign that Christ returned in 1914?
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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile
by MebyonKernow inthis has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.
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Vanderhoven7
Ha, I'm preaching on standing (Eph 6) on Sunday morning.
What does standing mean in the context of Christian warfare?
It means you haven't lost your faith, peace...joy....cool
It means you know God is still on the throne
It means you know that greater is He that is in you...
You stand by faith...in the word of God,
You stand by faith... in the promises of God
You stand by faith...in the faithfulness of God.
You stand by faith... in the work of God.
In other words...you stand by faith in the gospel of Christ
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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile
by MebyonKernow inthis has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.
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Vanderhoven7
I stand corrected.
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Is Tony Morris a Nonce / Pedophile
by MebyonKernow inthis has just been posted on youtube regarding tony morris and the reason why he was removed as a gb member and 'relocated'.is tony morris a pedophile / nonce?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahj9vxygkelet me know your thoughts down below.celtic.
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Vanderhoven7
I think their main interest is protecting Jehovah's Governing Body.
Remember Sheba son of Bicri! (2 Sam,20:21)
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FACT: The "faithful slave" was personally selected in 1919......
by BoogerMan in.........by the elite in the wtbts, who then became the self-proclaimed "faithful slave.
" (sans divine interference!).
as attested to countless times in decades worth of literature.. all succeeding members were then "personally selected" by existing "slave" members.
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Vanderhoven7
And none of the original appointees, who were proclaiming Pastor Russell as the Slave, ever claimed that office. It was only in 2012 that the GB realized who was appointed and when. Of course the truth is that Joseph Smith was appointed to restore the priesthood in 1831 when Jesus and Father God commissioned him in a vision.