Posts by Vanderhoven7

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If 1914 gets tossed

by Leathercrop in

it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

Vanderhoven7

Phizzy is right on. 1914 is critical to Watchtower authority.

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WT and Deathbed Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

eight million jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?.

instead, they might tell you, “look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really.

just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the holy spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as abraham, isaac and jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of christ.

Vanderhoven7

JW: Have you come to God's visible victorious organization for salvation?

Me: What if I haven’t by the time the GT starts?

JW: Then you will be eternally destroyed by Jehovah at Armageddon along with 8 billion of the earth's inhabitants!!!

Me: Is that the good news you preach? What does the Bible teach?

JW: (getting angry): yes, it's good news for us, bad news for everyone else who can't see past the unbiblical gospel we preach, the unrelatable Jesus we proclaim, the false prophetic speculation we engaged in, the loving unscriptural disfellowship provisions we enforce and the child sex abuse we have mishandled for decades on end. If you can't see we are the one true religion and the only Christians on earth, you deserve destruction at Armageddon.

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WT and Deathbed Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

eight million jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?.

instead, they might tell you, “look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really.

just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the holy spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as abraham, isaac and jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of christ.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, and because they have the wrong Jesus, they cannot know or relate to Him personally. Tacking on His name at the end of a prayer is not a relationship. Because their Jesus is an angel, they cannot even say, "Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins".

JWs know Michael personally as much as they know Gabriel personally.

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What do you think?

by Tahoe in

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Vanderhoven7

A step in the right direction.

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WT and Deathbed Salvation?

by Vanderhoven7 in

eight million jehovah's witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?.

instead, they might tell you, “look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really.

just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the holy spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as abraham, isaac and jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of christ.

Vanderhoven7

Eight million Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe they are saved, so how can they in short order tell you how to get saved on your deathbed?

Instead, they might tell you, “Look you are about to die and the great tribulation has not started yet, so you don't need to repent and believe anything really. Just die and your death will pay for your sins and unless you have sinned against the Holy Spirit, you will be raised along with most everybody else and learn from others such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, how to live for the kingdom during the 1000 year reign of Christ. If you pass a final test at the close of the 1000 years you will have attained your own righteousness and will live forever on the earth. So again, you don't have to believe anything or repent.”

What Witnesses will fail to tell you is “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved!”. They will not reiterate Jesus’ words, “Repent and believe the gospel!” Nor will they remind you of Jesus’ warning, “ If you believe not on me, you will die in your sins!” Sadly, JWs would rather you trust the words of men instead of the words of Jesus Christ.

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Are Jw's God's Organization?

by wantingtruth in

here i will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:.

when that original congregation apostasized, it formed the roman catholic church.

was it that the roman catholic church was jehovah's organization?

Vanderhoven7

Are JWs God's Organization?

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Are Jw's God's Organization?

by wantingtruth in

here i will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:.

when that original congregation apostasized, it formed the roman catholic church.

was it that the roman catholic church was jehovah's organization?

Vanderhoven7

Here is my last post in a debate I had tonight with a JW on another forum before he gave me the kiss of death i.e., told me off and disabled further comments.

Me: Your faith for salvation is entirely in men in Warwick New York you identify as the Faithful Slave.

JW: Your statement is a lie.

Actually it's the truth which you don't want to hear. The Faithful Slave says you must trust them or you don't trust Jehovah. Will anyone who doesn't trust Jehovah survive Armageddon? You tell me. Where does the Bible say you will not survive Armageddon if you don't trust these men in New York?

The Bible, God's word, does not say this, but your Faithful Slave does. So your faith is not in the Bible, but in men who say that trust in them is essential to your salvation.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7

LOL at myself. Yes King Charles, formerly Prince Charles. Half asleep as I try to make my point.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

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Vanderhoven7

@Iwant2know

Eternal life is knowing Father and Son. Jn.17:3

The word for knowing is ginosko, not knosis. It is not just knowing facts about a person, but actually knowing the person?

For example, do you know Prince Charles personally? Or do you just know some facts about him?

Do you know (ginosko) the apostle Paul?

Do you know the angel Gabriel?

Do you know Michael the archangel?

Do you have a personal relationship with Michael?

What is revealing about Jehovah’s Witnesses is that they have an unrelatable Jesus.

Let me prove it to you...

When is the last time you spoke to Jesus?. Can you even say something like, "Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins? I am so glad I can share my burdens with you!"

If you can't fellowship with your Creator, the truth is, you don't know Jesus and you don’t have eternal life.

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The FDS Photoshop

by Vanderhoven7 in

for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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from the february 2024 watchtower .

Vanderhoven7

All we know is that Tony was replaced by two more stooges who will continue to act in their own best interests and talk through their hats like all the others to perpetuate the myth of the Faithful Slave..