The org. must retain it's exclusiveness. So my take is 1914 is here to stay.
Vanderhoven7
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The Next Big Thing In WT World
by NotFormer inthings got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
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Who really ARE the "true Christians?"
by BoogerMan inw93 11/1 p. 32 - "today, there has to exist a people, not just scattered individuals, who fit jesus’ description of true christians and who make god’s name manifest.".
and here was i thinking that true christians had to proclaim jesus' name!!!
matthew 10:18; mark 13:9; luke 24:48; john 1:15; john 5:37; john 8:18; john 15:26, 27; acts 1:8; acts 9:15; acts 10:39; acts 10:43; acts 13:31; acts 22:15; acts 22:20; acts 23:11; acts 26:16; 1 corinthians 1:6; 1 timothy 2:6, 7; 2 timothy 1:8; 1 john 5:9; revelation 1:9; revelation 12:17; revelation 17:6; revelation 19:10; revelation 20:4. how could the faithful evil slave get something so important, so wrong?.
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Vanderhoven7
The kingdom of God is not a visible or observable entity. It is a spiritual kingdom made up of all who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. ROMANS 8:9
This disqualifies Watchtower's version of the so called great crowd of other sheep.
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Is Jesus God?
by Sea Breeze ini know that a lot of historical names have claimed to be a god.
but, jesus arguably claimed to be god.
scripture says he's the creator.
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
All things were created by him and for him
Thomas: The Lord of me and the God of me.
Jesus: Get off your knees Thomas, I am not your God. I was an angel in my pre-human existence.
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The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes
by Vanderhoven7 ineric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.
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Eric Wilson's video is worth a view.
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Shaking Down Satan - WT Sues Norway
by Sea Breeze ini wonder how many witnesses are aware that the wt and their team of lawyers are currently suing the government of norway for millions of dollars?
i thought that the wt taught that all the governments were run by satan.
when i was a witness, this would have really bothered me.
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Looking for Watchtower Quotations
by Vanderhoven7 inthis thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..
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Vanderhoven7
"It is not a form of religious persecution for anyone to say and to show that another religion is false. It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false..."- The Watchtower Nov. 15, 1963 pg 688
Perfect Disgruntled. Thank you!
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Looking for Watchtower Quotations
by Vanderhoven7 inthis thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..
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Vanderhoven7
g84 8/22 p. 28 From Our Readers - The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism. *
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Boogerman!
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Will unrighteous survive Armageddon new light?
by ElderBerry inthe bible says there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous, and now they say it’s wrong to hope unrighteous loved ones die before the end because that would be stupid.
yes it is stupid.. if identical twins both left the truth and one died just before armageddon and the other stayed alive then would he be killed only to be resurrected?.
this new light doesn’t make any sense i know they say we just don’t know.
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Vanderhoven7
Right, neither inspired, infallible nor Spirit-directed.
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Looking for Watchtower Quotations
by Vanderhoven7 inthis thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from watchtower literature.. right now i'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in wt messages.. there is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny..
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Vanderhoven7
This thread could be used regularly for people looking for specific quotations from Watchtower literature.
Right now I'm looking for a quotation which says it is the duty of clergy to point out errors in WT messages.
There is also one which says that religions which claim to offer salvation to millions should allow scrutiny.
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UN scandal
by inbetween inlately i did a lot of reading regarding the un scandal, the org being a ngo for 10 years.
i tried to read both sides, the comments on jwfacts.com, as well as the defense at jehovahsjudgment.co.uk.. and then the endless discussion on topix.com between thirdwitness and alanf and others.. while i am sure, the way the org handled the whole situation, especially after the article in the guardian, was plain wrong, instead of openly confessing a mistake, it was done secretely and only after inquiry, and made it look like a cover-up.. .
however, considering the whole issue, i think it comes down to one question:.
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Vanderhoven7
Deon Corley writes
The WTBTS was an NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) of the United Nations for nearly a decade from about 1991/92 until 2001.[1]
This is, in fact, something that the WTBTS still to this day, has not addressed with its followers and many of them remain unaware that it ever even happened.
It does matter, however, and it is not of any minor consequence as some apologists have asserted. As a letter from the United Nations dated October 11, 2001 states in part, “By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about U.N. activities.”[2] (bold and italics mine) Now, anyone who is familiar with the Jehovah’s Witness organization is likely also familiar with their book, “Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand”, their literature, and stance regarding the United Nations in general, and knows that they regard the U.N. as the “wild beast” spoken of in the Bible book of Revelation and they can hardly be considered as indicating support for the work of the U.N.
The whole situation is fairly well summarized here:
“Even though the Watchtower Society may have felt the need to associate with the UN as an NGO to gain access to the “reference works” section of the library that is unavailable to the general public through the Inter-Library loan system, this is hardly an excuse for the fact that they would have had to compromise their convictions by subscribing to the “Criteria for Association of NGOs” as the following evidence proves.”[3]
Their willingness to compromise their convictions in a secretive way while expecting their followers to take rigid stances on matters that the Society expects them to is hypocritical. The WTBTS is known for taking and making their followers take hard line stances on things such as the flag salute, military service, celebrating of holidays, birthdays, etc. They are known to be inflexible even to the detriment of their followers, like the situation that existed in Malawi during the 1960’s for example.[4]
That they are rigid and inflexible when they want to be and bend when it’s convenient for them to do so is bothersome to me.
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