Sorry SB, the chart is fuzzy when expanded. Please supply the Scriptural references and quotations that support Reverend Larking's fascinating diagram.
Vanderhoven7
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.
why don't the jw's do the same?.
from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
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Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?
by Sea Breeze inlooks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.
why don't the jw's do the same?.
from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).
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@SeaBreeze
"there is more than one compartment in hell"
Yes that's what the Pharisees believed and taught to justify their total neglect of the poor, but I notice you did not provide a scripture to support this conclusion.
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Is the Governing Body Apostate?
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones writes:.
actually, it was “love for jehovah” and a desire to “remain loyal to him” that made me leave the jehovah’s witness “religion”.. gradually, it became very clear to me that the organization does not represent jehovah.
if anything, it had become apostate.
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Mark Jones writes:
Actually, it was “love for Jehovah” and a desire to “remain loyal to him” that made me leave the Jehovah’s Witness “religion”.
Gradually, it became very clear to me that the organization does not represent Jehovah. If anything, it had become apostate. If Jehovah had chosen the Watchtower society and declared it clean in 1919 - then any change to its doctrine would be apostasy.
Being loyal to Jehovah means rejecting false prophets, rejecting liars and rejecting men who tell you to follow them in order to follow the Christ.
If anyone wishes to be “loyal to Jehovah” then they must leave the apostate organization even though it claims to represent him - just like the first century Jews had to reject the Pharisees who claimed to have god’s backing.
At the time of my leaving, I believed the bible:
- That Jesus is the mediator for all mankind.
- That the Bible is written for all humans.
- That Jesus, not an organization, is the way to eternal life.
- That we are not to judge others but focus on our own spiritual need.
Most Jehovah’s Witnesses aren't even aware that the above 4 points are not part of Jehovah's’ Witness doctrine.
"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." - Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
"So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." - Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31
"Special attention was being given to making up the government that would rule mankind for 1,000 years, and nearly all the inspired letters in the Christian Greek Scriptures are primarily directed to this group of Kingdom heirs - "the holy ones," "partakers of the heavenly calling." - United in Worship p.111
"Also, it is to the spirit-anointed Christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the Christian Greek Scriptures is directed, including the promises of everlasting life." - Watchtower 1974 June 15 p.376
Facts about jw.org, Watchtower, Jehovah's Witnesses and Truth<! -- next --> Are these the Last Days? Every global catastrophe, be it a war, earthquake, famine, epidemic or financial recession, has Jehovah's Witnesses besides themselves that Armageddon is about to occur. Watchtower leaders make use of such fear invoking events, insisting they prove we are at the end of the "last days." They have been making the same claim that Armageddon is upon us, not just for decades, but since the religion's inception in the 1870's. COVID-19 was no exception - Watchtower touted this as proof the end was upon us. However, the global response to Covid-19 resulted in a death rate that was significantly less than pandemics in the past. Rather than acknowledge this incredible medical achievement, Watchtower presented Covid-19 as proof pestilence is greater than ever before. To believe such shows tragic historical ignorance, as disease takes a lower toll on human life than any other time in history, proven by global life expectancy doubling over the last century. Next was the fear of inflation, with the lead article on jw.org in June 2022 being "Soaring Worldwide Inflation." Rising prices are claimed to be a sign of the Last Days, which is particularly egocentric, since even with inflation, people in the developed world have a higher standard of living than the poorest quarter of the global population and most people of any time in history. Are these the Last Days? compares information published by Watchtower with research regarding war, pestilence, earthquake and famine since 1914, with astounding findings. See also Does The Current Recession/War/Pandemic Prove Armageddon is Close? Watchtower's View of Women Jehovah's Witnesses belong to a patriarchal organization where women are to view men as their head. Watchtower articles continue to describe the role of women in terms reminiscent of mid-twentieth century American culture. Whilst directing husbands to be loving of their wives, the results of a male dominated religion can be tragic, with three areas particularly worthy of consideration; domestic violence, child abuse and rape. more ... JW.Support JWFacts is delighted to promote www.jw.support , which aims to assist youths that realize Watchtower is not "the truth," and are struggling to live with devoted parents. jw.support offers advice via short articles and experiences, along with links to useful resources, forums and free support phone lines. About JWfacts JWfacts makes it as simple as possible to determine if Jehovah's Witnesses have “the truth.” Since its 1879 inception, Watchtower has preached “the End” will be soon, originally predicting it would occur in 1914 , then 1925 , and “ within our twentieth century .” This claim was subsequently adjusted to say the Great Tribulation will be very shortly , culminating in billions of humans being killed at God's war of Armageddon. This site concentrates on three areas: With a history of significant errors and changes, can God be directing the Watchtower Society? Is the Wat -
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Anyone Have a Photo of The Current 9 Member Governing Body?
by Vanderhoven7 ingoverning body members.
kenneth eugene cook, jr. (2018).
gage fleegle (2023).
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Wow! All nine Guardians of Doctrine together. Good find SeaBreeze!
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Anyone Have a Photo of The Current 9 Member Governing Body?
by Vanderhoven7 ingoverning body members.
kenneth eugene cook, jr. (2018).
gage fleegle (2023).
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Governing Body members
Kenneth Eugene Cook, Jr. (2018)
Gage Fleegle (2023)
Samuel Frederick Herd (1999)
Geoffrey William Jackson (2005)
Mark Stephen Lett (1999)
Gerrit Lösch (1994)
Douglas Mark Sanderson (2012)
David Howard Splane (1999)
Jeffrey Winder (2023)
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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All the best to you Punkofnice!
Thanks for checking in and updating us on your improved situation.
Be blessed my friend!
Vandy
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The changing teachings if Jehovah’s Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inthe changing teachings of jehovah's witnesses .
menacingmistral writes:.
"jehovah's witnesses often, not only change 180° from what they used to teach, they change from things they vehemently asserted were absolute truth.
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The changing teachings OF Jehovah's Witnesses
MenacingMistral writes:
"Jehovah's witnesses often, not only change 180° from what they used to teach, they change from things they vehemently asserted were absolute truth. And what's worse, they have stated outright that they don't need to apologize, only the poor lowly rank and file jws must apologize. On top of all the that chutzpah, they have essentially placed themselves in the place of Jesus AND jehovah! “The governing body has decided….”.
Reporting time:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=201981286&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=4
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2014844&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=22
The change:
MindsPlease enable JavaScript to continue using this application.Beards:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1973162&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=14The change:
The use of symbols:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=101976850&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=15 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202009126#h=1:0-5:558
The change:
Memorial partakers:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1996607&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=7
The change:
Women wearing slacks:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1984527&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=25 https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1984527&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=26
The change:
The "generation":
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1980768&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=5
The change:
Shunning:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1963486&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=20
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1981688&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=27
The change:
MindsPlease enable JavaScript to continue using this application.Humility:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1993847&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=22
The change:
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How to respond to any JW about The Watchtower being an NGO
by Bluegrass Tom ini prepared the following in abrief essay form from my research on the subject.. please read it through.
it will take a few minutes.i believe it is comprehensive enough for use with almost anyone.. if any one wants it in word ot pdf format, i can email it you.. a matter of reason.
the issue of being disturbed by the watchtower society becoming associated with the united nations as a non-governmental organization (ngo) is not a matter of faith, but a matter of reason.. .
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This from a JW disassociation letter
Why was Watch Tower affiliated with the United Nations Organisation for ten long years?
You can imagine my shock and horror when I learned from the web site of the United Nations that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS) of New York applied for and was granted association in partnership with the UN as an NGO, a non-governmental organisation, for ten years from 1990 to 2001.
When they were exposed by the Guardian newspaper, they resigned 2 days later saying it was for library card access, nothing more! Its like saying to your wife when she caught you sneaking out of a brothel that you just popped in for the last 10 years to sample the free coffee and croissants on offer to guests, nothing more!
Further as a way of placating the Jehovah's Witnesses the officials at the Watchtower Society claimed that they were unaware of the requirements involved that happened to be in opposition to their doctrine!
Were the Watchtower Society officials telling the truth, or were they trying to cover up a major scandal of hypocrisy?
Well, to be a partner you have to actively live up to and demonstrate the NGO requirements put upon them by supporting and promoting the charter and its aims and objectives. This condition is not to passively observe but actively participate.
Non-governmental organisations serve in a general consultative status and when meetings and conferences are convened by the United Nations, participants are to be accredited for there active participation. No free rides or complimentary library cards here folks.
The Watchtower had to demonstrate their support in favour of the UN. They were required to submit annual samples of their individual write- ups regarding United Nations activities.
The three people involved in representing the Watchtower Society as an NGO in association with the United Nations was
W. Barry as the vice president of the Watchtower Society, Ciro Aulicino as the main representative, and Robert Johnson as the alternative representative. These participants were not some local Joe blogs elders involved.
The following articles were carefully crafted and delivered over 10 years so that they would satisfy the officials at the DPI with the annual NGO requirements while at the same time stopping short of blatant contradiction to Jehovah's Witness doctrine. Some were hand delivered to the UN and the respective articles were recorded as such in the UN archives.
Importantly to non-Jehovah's Witnesses the articles would sound as though the writer had a favourable view towards the United Nations and its future! Without fail each year the WBTS met their annual NGO obligations.
Awake!: September 8, 1991, pp. 3-4, 8-10
Awake! December 8, 1992, p. 3-7
Awake! February 22, 1993, pp.4-6.
Awake! May 8, 1994, pp.4-8
Awake! July 22, 1995, pp.4-8
The Watchtower: Oct. 1, 1995, pp. 3-5.
Awake! Apr. 22, 1996, pp.4-7
Awake! Feb. 8, 1997, pp. 14-17
Awake! Nov.22, 1998, pp.3-11
Awake! December 22 1998, pp. 3-4
Awake! Jan. 8, 1999, pp. 13
Awake! May 22, 1999, pp.4-9
Awake! July 22, 1999, pp.3-4
Awake! Jan. 8, 2000, pp.20-21
Awake! Dec. 8, 2000, pp. 3-9
Awake! Jul. 22, 2001, pp.3-5
Why is the Watchtower involved with the image of the wild beast of Revelation? They dined with the whore Babylon the great the mother of all prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth when she was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and the blood of the witnesses of Jesus! (Revelation 18:1 - 24)
If I joined a political party or the UN, I’d be disfellowshipped, wouldn’t I? I don’t understand the double standards. One for the governing body and one for the expendable minions.
The Organisation used their status as an NGO with the United Nations to enable them to knock on the door of the OSCE and become involved in dialogue with major world players, not just political, but religious as well for decades. Not years but decades!
OSCE stands for Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe under the United Nations Charter. From the information available, it is WTBTS's Political Lobbying Arm. From what is presented in this dissociation letter, I ask, who needs the UN when you have the OSCE?
In 1991, the WTBTS applied for and was granted NGO status with the United Nations of which status also allowed them direct access within the corridors of the OSCE, although full advantage of the arrangements offered by the OSCE for NGO's was not taken up by the WTBTS or by the Jehovah's Witnesses until Stephen Bates (Religious Affairs Correspondent for The Guardian UK newspaper) exposed the WTBTS as being an NGO member with the United Nations in two published articles on October 8 and 15, 2001.
The WTBTS withdrew their NGO status with the UN but maintained the same "foot in the door" and "political clout" by utilising the OSCE with particular emphasis on being associated with all other religions through TANDIS which is the Tolerance and Non-Discrimination Information System.
The OSCE has regularly reported on the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses, since the WTBTS began NGO association with the UN in 1991.
The WTBTS has, since 2001 and the UN scandal, solely relied on their association with OSCE for the single purpose of lobbying sovereign States and policy makers within various state and government departments.
The presence of Jehovah's Witnesses, and in turn the WTBTS as NGO within the corridors of the OSCE, also allows them access to The Holy See (Vatican) who is a member State for the purpose of lobbying should the need ever arise.
The WTBTS and the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses have greatly increased their activities and presence within the OSCE since 2006.
Why are the WTBTS trying to lobby and influence policy and decision makers, including the USA, NATO, the European Union, and all 56 OSCE member States?
How can the Watchtower Society representatives claim that their political associations with OSCE and other government officials has anything to do with God's purposes. Would Jesus Christ be promoting OSCE goals, raising awareness of their work, adding to their ideas, monitoring their implementation, undertaking cooperative activities, engaging in conflict prevention and providing expertise in military aspects of security, political and economic affairs.
Does any of the above mentioned politically related agendas and terms even remotely describe "No Part of The World?" or "Avoiding All Political Involvement?"
Why is the Watchtower Society taking an active role in support of the OSCE?
Can anyone tell me how many times they think the name "Jesus Christ" would be discussed in the above political scenarios with scriptural references? Not even once! How can the Watchtower Society representatives claim that their political associations with OSCE, the UN and other government officials has anything to do with God's purposes?
Are these not the very entities Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are going to destroy at Armageddon!
Paradoxically the WBTS strongly vilifies other religions for participating alongside political affiliations, yet it appears that the WBTS too has been wooed by the 'power and influence' of associating with these organisations who either work side by side with the UN (as the OSCE admits) or are deep within the United Nations System.
Please Friends, go to the OSCE web site:
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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That's good news Jan. Thanks for letting us know he's well.
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"Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79
by WingCommander inthe concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.
it's been around since rutherford's time.
ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .
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Thanks WingCommander!
Yes! Trust in men is one of their 5 greatest flaws.
The other four in my book include:
- They preach a man-made non-salvific gospel.
- Their Jesus is unrelatable.
- Their shunning practices are often unbiblically cruel and divide families unnecessary.
- Their religion, although Bible-based, is actually unbiblical.
