Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

<<The fact that God is the only saviour is not contradicted by the fact that God sends a saviour into the world to accomplish his will. God is the saviour and the one he sends forth is the means by which he saves.>>

I'm glad you can see that there is no contradiction. Do you also see no contradiction when God identifies Himself as sole Creator

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; is.24:44 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Is 45:18

Similarly the NT identifies Jesus as Creator as well.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Colossians 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Hebrews 1:1-2
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
My conclusion is that Jesus Christ as Lord, Saviour and Creator of all things is worthy of the same honour as the Father. That would include worship.

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

Hi Slim,

The fact that the NT is centered on Jesus Christ takes nothing away but only adds to the Father's glory.

And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

It is not a matter of where we put the emphasis...but where God puts the emphasis.

Acts 1:8 — Jesus says his followers will be his witnesses in all the earth

Acts 2:32 — witnesses to the fact that God resurrected Jesus

Acts 5:32 — witnesses to the fact that God raised up Jesus and exalted him to his right hand

Acts 10:39 — witnesses to the things Jesus did by God's power

Acts 13:31 — witnesses of the resurrected Jesus

And it is where Jesus puts the emphasis

1. Jesus is the Bread of Life

“Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.’” (John 6:35)

“Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” (John 6:32-33)

2. Jesus is the Light of the World

“When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, ‘I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.’” (John 8:12)

3. Jesus is the Door

“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.” (John 10:9) “All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them” (John 10:8).

Others may come and try to declare that they are the way to life, but they are “thieves and robbers”; Jesus is the only true way (see point six). There is no other door to eternal life except through Him.

4. Jesus is the Good Shepherd

“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” (John 10:11)

5. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” (John 11:25-26)

6. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) “And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)

7. Jesus is the Vine

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.” (John 15:5)

I believe that not only is the New Testament Christocentric , but so is the Old Testament.

The Bible's Christocentric structure: https://www.efca.org/blog/understanding-scripture/bibles-christocentric-structure

http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-mystery-revealed-a-biblical-case-for-christ-centered-ot-interpretation

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

<<The whole focus of the NT is on God and what he has done to save mankind by means of Jesus.>>

I would say that the focus of the New Testament is essentially on Jesus Christ, His person and His work on behalf of sinners. God has declared that there is only one name (person) under heaven whereby we may be saved; that being Jesus Christ. God is glorified in the Son; His love is revealed in the Son; His justice is demonstrated in the Son, His mercy is confirmed in the Son and that is why God has given the name of Jesus preeminence. That is why He hid His divine name; made it unpronounceable in Hebrew, and absent in Greek. And that is why we cannot find one verse telling Christians to be witnesses of Jehovah.

Yes, Jehovah sent His Son but it is Jesus who bore our sins on Calvary and it is to Him that we must come and it is to Him that we will answer. Whoever has the Son, has life; He that does not have the Son, hath not life. (I John 5:12)

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

@Slim

I note that you see no opposition between witnessing to or for Jesus and witnessing to or for Jehovah. Fine, but how about the converse?

Does witnessing to or for Jehovah mean one is witnessing to Jesus?

Does calling on Jehovah mean one is calling on Jesus as all first century Christians did?

God set the priority on Jesus name for good reason. By adding to the word of God the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses obliterates the importance of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

Hi Slim

Here are 2 versions of John 17:36

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Darby Bible Translation
And I have made known to them thy name, and will make it known; that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them and I in them.

What do you believe making Gods name known means in context here?

How do you think Jesus made Gods name known to his disciples?

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

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friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

Here is an interesting article that sheds light on the question: Was the name Jehovah removed from the New Testament and does it matter?

https://carm.org/was-jehovahs-name-removed-from-the-new-testament-does-it-matter

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Reaching out

by Reg andeson in

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hi everyone my name is reg anderson i am from new brunswick canada.

i have currently relocated to toronto canada.

i am currntly working in downtown toronto .

Vanderhoven7

Sad to say...I think Reg has abandoned ship...needy, vulnerable and afraid.

Wishing you the best Reg. May you find the peace and fellowship you need while in Toronto.

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Cite one scripture in the N.T. that chargers Christians to be witnesses of / for Jehovah.....Not one.using K.I ./ WTB&TS

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

i think the wtb&ts publication titled "the kingdom interlinear of the christian greek scriptures" speaks for itself.. the word for word translation of the greek into english.. that publication does not even contain the name or word jehovah either in hebrew letters or greek letters anywhere in the word for word texts.. their is not one scripture in the n.t.

where christians ,followers of jesus christ are instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,however there are something like twenty scriptures that explicitly state followers of jesus christ are to be witnesses of, for, and about jesus...

Vanderhoven7

Hi Slim

You quote Acts 2:32–36 presumably from the NWT

God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear. For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”

JWs feel free to substitute the doubtful name "Jehovah" in the NT where the unpronounceable Tetragrammaton is found in OT passages. In fact they add the name "Jehovah" 327 times to the NT...when the majority of these self serving additions are not even based on OT quotations.

Unfortunately however, as William Cetnar demonstrated, the WT has failed to be consistent in its application of the divine name to NT passages that include quotations from the OT.

For example consistency would yield the following

1 Peter 3:15 quoted from Isaiah. 8:12 - But sanctify the Christ as Jehovah in your hearts.

Phil 2:10-11 quoted from Isaiah 45:23 - "...so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend... and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Jehovah to the glory of God the Father."

1 Peter 2:3 quoted from Psalm 34:8 - "...provided you have tasted that Jehovah is kind. Coming to him as to a living stone, rejected, it is true, by men, but chosen, precious, with God,"

Hebrews 1:10 quoted from Psalms 102:25 - "And: "You at the beginning, O Jehovah, laid the foundation of the earth itself."

Let's review: The doubtful name "Jehovah" is not found once in the OT, nor once in the NT, nor is the Tetragrammaton found once in the NT. And over half the 327 times the NWT imposes the name "Jehovah" on NT passages, no precedent is provided from the OT. It is never found on the lips of Jesus, or the disciples or the apostle Paul. The name is hidden throughout the Bible. Christians are told to address God as "Father" for that is the intimate relationship He desires for all His children. Jesus, like His Father, did not make the name "Jehovah" known to anyone. Rather He made God's person, nature and attributes known to His followers by both word and action.

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