Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

Vanderhoven7

@Rivergang

Early on, I lived in a district which featured a large number of Brethren, Pentecostals, and some who were a mix of both. “Are you saved?” was a common question. I am sure they believed it to be a loaded question to throw at the JWs.

Actually, "Are you saved?" is an excellent "loaded" question because it forces JWs to pit their organizations' word against the word of God. The Bible clearly teaches that All believers in Christ are saved/justified.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

II Timothy 1:9 God has saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 13:38-39 38 Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39. And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 3:21-26 21 But now God has shown us His righteousness; the law and the prophets tell us about it...God's righteousness comes to all who believe, just by their believing in Jesus Christ. There is no distinction. All have sinned and are without God's glory. They become righteous by a gift of His love, by the ransom Christ Jesus paid to free them. God set Him up publicly to pour out His blood before God to take away sin through faith, to show His righteousness...Now He wanted to show His righteousness, to be righteous Himself and make righteous anyone who believes in Jesus. (Beck)

Roman's 5:18 Therefore by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Notice that Romans 5:18 does not say: Therefore by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ~~all men~~ 144, 000 unto justification of life.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Stan,

Biblical salvation is justification. This includes forgiveness of sin and imputation of Christ's righteousness

Colossians 2:13 KJV — And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 4:23¶Now it was not written for Abraham alone, that righteousness was imputed to him;

24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So believers are saved from sin and eternal death.

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Are YOU saved?

by JW Answers in

sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.

many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?

it's vitally important to know!.

Vanderhoven7

8.5 million JWs do not claim to be saved, but they hope that their works and loyalty to god's organization will be enough to enable them to survive Armageddon into the new system where they will faithfully work for 1000 to acquire perfection and eternal life on paradise earth.

Salvation then is defined as survival through Armageddon. He who endures faithful to the end will survive Armageddon is the promise of the Faithful Slave.

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Next time a jw says "the end is sooo close now"

by nowwhat? in

say this.

with what's going on the world does it look like they are going to proclaim peace and security anytime soon?!

or was the organization wrong again about the end times?.

Vanderhoven7

@ Ghost,

A JW might take you up on your offer and plan to sell his house to family members and squander the money from the sales in year four when he realizes the organization is wrong as it always is.

Then you are left holding the bag unless, of course, your contract prohibits the gifting, selling or remortgaging of his house.

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I never had a happy birthday this year 5/7

by smiddy3 in

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friends

my wife had a hip replacement on june the 17th and while the op itself was apparently succesful ,she has had a reaction to the anesthetic ?

and has suffered delirium and is still in hospital with no apparent improvement.. its been very distressing for me to say the least.

sorry if i sound a bit morbid but i just had to share,.

Vanderhoven7

Great news Smiddy!

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Do you believe in ultimate justice?

by Fisherman in

ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

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Vanderhoven7

That's deep Tonus. I am reminded that Solomon was a product of an illicit affair. That God can bring good out of evil is best exemplified by the cross.

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Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

by truth_b_known in

being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

jehovah created humans.

jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

Vanderhoven7

Trying to post a picture but failing

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Do you believe in ultimate justice?

by Fisherman in

ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

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Vanderhoven7

It certainly seems unjust to me that JWs have determined that just about all non-JWs automatically get a free pass to a resurrection if they die before the tribulation, but if these same individuals are alive when Armageddon hits, will be eternally destroyed. Why should the timing of ones death determine whether sinners get a resurrection and a chance to gain eternal life or not?

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Do you believe in ultimate justice?

by Fisherman in

ultimate justice means that conduct is not inconsequential.

.

Vanderhoven7

It seems that 8.5 million JWs don't....since just about everyone, (including Hitler I suppose) who dies before Armageddon gets a free pass to the safe and secure new system since their death pays for all of their past sins. Correct me if I'm wrong and at the same time explain why Jesus had to die to pay our sin debt?

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Becoming a JW

by Mum in

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i rarely post here, but i often check in.

i used to post on h2o as well.

i think i once posted some of this on h2o, but there are many new ones who have joined since then.. i first encountered jw's at the age of 9. it wasn't in the door-to-door work, however.

Vanderhoven7

Too bad Van Impe pushed you in a direction that even your Baptist Sunday School teacher could not resolve. At least Baptists will not shun people who leave their church. Glad you realized you were in a controlling cult at 32 and made your way to freedom.