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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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The changing teachings if Jehovah’s Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inthe changing teachings of jehovah's witnesses .
menacingmistral writes:.
"jehovah's witnesses often, not only change 180° from what they used to teach, they change from things they vehemently asserted were absolute truth.
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The changing teachings OF Jehovah's Witnesses
MenacingMistral writes:
"Jehovah's witnesses often, not only change 180° from what they used to teach, they change from things they vehemently asserted were absolute truth. And what's worse, they have stated outright that they don't need to apologize, only the poor lowly rank and file jws must apologize. On top of all the that chutzpah, they have essentially placed themselves in the place of Jesus AND jehovah! “The governing body has decided….”.
Reporting time:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=201981286&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=4
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2014844&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=22
The change:
MindsPlease enable JavaScript to continue using this application.Beards:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1973162&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=14The change:
The use of symbols:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=101976850&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=15 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202009126#h=1:0-5:558
The change:
Memorial partakers:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1996607&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=7
The change:
Women wearing slacks:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1984527&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=25 https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1984527&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=26
The change:
The "generation":
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1980768&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=5
The change:
Shunning:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1963486&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=20
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1981688&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=27
The change:
MindsPlease enable JavaScript to continue using this application.Humility:
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1993847&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=22
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How to respond to any JW about The Watchtower being an NGO
by Bluegrass Tom ini prepared the following in abrief essay form from my research on the subject.. please read it through.
it will take a few minutes.i believe it is comprehensive enough for use with almost anyone.. if any one wants it in word ot pdf format, i can email it you.. a matter of reason.
the issue of being disturbed by the watchtower society becoming associated with the united nations as a non-governmental organization (ngo) is not a matter of faith, but a matter of reason.. .
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This from a JW disassociation letter
Why was Watch Tower affiliated with the United Nations Organisation for ten long years?
You can imagine my shock and horror when I learned from the web site of the United Nations that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS) of New York applied for and was granted association in partnership with the UN as an NGO, a non-governmental organisation, for ten years from 1990 to 2001.
When they were exposed by the Guardian newspaper, they resigned 2 days later saying it was for library card access, nothing more! Its like saying to your wife when she caught you sneaking out of a brothel that you just popped in for the last 10 years to sample the free coffee and croissants on offer to guests, nothing more!
Further as a way of placating the Jehovah's Witnesses the officials at the Watchtower Society claimed that they were unaware of the requirements involved that happened to be in opposition to their doctrine!
Were the Watchtower Society officials telling the truth, or were they trying to cover up a major scandal of hypocrisy?
Well, to be a partner you have to actively live up to and demonstrate the NGO requirements put upon them by supporting and promoting the charter and its aims and objectives. This condition is not to passively observe but actively participate.
Non-governmental organisations serve in a general consultative status and when meetings and conferences are convened by the United Nations, participants are to be accredited for there active participation. No free rides or complimentary library cards here folks.
The Watchtower had to demonstrate their support in favour of the UN. They were required to submit annual samples of their individual write- ups regarding United Nations activities.
The three people involved in representing the Watchtower Society as an NGO in association with the United Nations was
W. Barry as the vice president of the Watchtower Society, Ciro Aulicino as the main representative, and Robert Johnson as the alternative representative. These participants were not some local Joe blogs elders involved.
The following articles were carefully crafted and delivered over 10 years so that they would satisfy the officials at the DPI with the annual NGO requirements while at the same time stopping short of blatant contradiction to Jehovah's Witness doctrine. Some were hand delivered to the UN and the respective articles were recorded as such in the UN archives.
Importantly to non-Jehovah's Witnesses the articles would sound as though the writer had a favourable view towards the United Nations and its future! Without fail each year the WBTS met their annual NGO obligations.
Awake!: September 8, 1991, pp. 3-4, 8-10
Awake! December 8, 1992, p. 3-7
Awake! February 22, 1993, pp.4-6.
Awake! May 8, 1994, pp.4-8
Awake! July 22, 1995, pp.4-8
The Watchtower: Oct. 1, 1995, pp. 3-5.
Awake! Apr. 22, 1996, pp.4-7
Awake! Feb. 8, 1997, pp. 14-17
Awake! Nov.22, 1998, pp.3-11
Awake! December 22 1998, pp. 3-4
Awake! Jan. 8, 1999, pp. 13
Awake! May 22, 1999, pp.4-9
Awake! July 22, 1999, pp.3-4
Awake! Jan. 8, 2000, pp.20-21
Awake! Dec. 8, 2000, pp. 3-9
Awake! Jul. 22, 2001, pp.3-5
Why is the Watchtower involved with the image of the wild beast of Revelation? They dined with the whore Babylon the great the mother of all prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth when she was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and the blood of the witnesses of Jesus! (Revelation 18:1 - 24)
If I joined a political party or the UN, I’d be disfellowshipped, wouldn’t I? I don’t understand the double standards. One for the governing body and one for the expendable minions.
The Organisation used their status as an NGO with the United Nations to enable them to knock on the door of the OSCE and become involved in dialogue with major world players, not just political, but religious as well for decades. Not years but decades!
OSCE stands for Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe under the United Nations Charter. From the information available, it is WTBTS's Political Lobbying Arm. From what is presented in this dissociation letter, I ask, who needs the UN when you have the OSCE?
In 1991, the WTBTS applied for and was granted NGO status with the United Nations of which status also allowed them direct access within the corridors of the OSCE, although full advantage of the arrangements offered by the OSCE for NGO's was not taken up by the WTBTS or by the Jehovah's Witnesses until Stephen Bates (Religious Affairs Correspondent for The Guardian UK newspaper) exposed the WTBTS as being an NGO member with the United Nations in two published articles on October 8 and 15, 2001.
The WTBTS withdrew their NGO status with the UN but maintained the same "foot in the door" and "political clout" by utilising the OSCE with particular emphasis on being associated with all other religions through TANDIS which is the Tolerance and Non-Discrimination Information System.
The OSCE has regularly reported on the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses, since the WTBTS began NGO association with the UN in 1991.
The WTBTS has, since 2001 and the UN scandal, solely relied on their association with OSCE for the single purpose of lobbying sovereign States and policy makers within various state and government departments.
The presence of Jehovah's Witnesses, and in turn the WTBTS as NGO within the corridors of the OSCE, also allows them access to The Holy See (Vatican) who is a member State for the purpose of lobbying should the need ever arise.
The WTBTS and the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses have greatly increased their activities and presence within the OSCE since 2006.
Why are the WTBTS trying to lobby and influence policy and decision makers, including the USA, NATO, the European Union, and all 56 OSCE member States?
How can the Watchtower Society representatives claim that their political associations with OSCE and other government officials has anything to do with God's purposes. Would Jesus Christ be promoting OSCE goals, raising awareness of their work, adding to their ideas, monitoring their implementation, undertaking cooperative activities, engaging in conflict prevention and providing expertise in military aspects of security, political and economic affairs.
Does any of the above mentioned politically related agendas and terms even remotely describe "No Part of The World?" or "Avoiding All Political Involvement?"
Why is the Watchtower Society taking an active role in support of the OSCE?
Can anyone tell me how many times they think the name "Jesus Christ" would be discussed in the above political scenarios with scriptural references? Not even once! How can the Watchtower Society representatives claim that their political associations with OSCE, the UN and other government officials has anything to do with God's purposes?
Are these not the very entities Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are going to destroy at Armageddon!
Paradoxically the WBTS strongly vilifies other religions for participating alongside political affiliations, yet it appears that the WBTS too has been wooed by the 'power and influence' of associating with these organisations who either work side by side with the UN (as the OSCE admits) or are deep within the United Nations System.
Please Friends, go to the OSCE web site:
Organization for Security and Co-operation in EuropeQuick access to multilingual content In addition to the web pages in the OSCE Official languages, the OSCE website contains a number of sections available in other languages. Please click on a language below to see the OSCE website sections available in that language. Quick access to multilingual content : Bosanski/Srpski/Hrvatski Please choose a section to access the content available in the selected language. Көп тілді контентке жылдам қатынау : Қазақша Таңдалған тілдегі контентке өту үшін тарауды таңдаңыз. Көп тилдүү тексттерге мазмунга тез кирүү : Кыргызча Тандалган тилдеги мазмунга өтүүгө бөлүктү танданыз. Brz pristup višejezičnom sadržaju : Crnogorski Molimo Vas da odaberete odjeljak da biste pristupili sadržaju na odabranom jeziku. Брз пристап до мултијазична содржина : Македонски Ве молиме изберете секција за да пристапите кон содржината достапна на избраниот јазик. Acces rapid la conținutul disponibil în mai multe limbi : Română Selectați o secțiune pentru a accesa conținutul disponibil în limba selectată. Hyrje e shpejtë në përmbajtjen shumëgjuhëshe : Shqip Ju lutemi, zgjidhni një seksion për të parë përmbajtjen në gjuhën e përzgjedhur. Brz pristup višejezičnom sadržaju : Srpski Molim Vas odaberite odeljak kako bi pristupili sadržaju na odabranom jeziku. Дастрасии фаврӣ ба контенти бисёрзабона : Tajik Бахши дилхоҳатонро интихоб кунед ва бо забони интихобшуда ба контент дастрасӣ пайдо намоед. Köp dilli maglumatlara tiz geçiş : Türkmen Saýlanylan dilde elýeterli bolan maglumatlara geçmek üçin bölümi saýlaň. Швидкий доступ до багатомовного контенту : Українська Будь ласка, виберіть розділ для доступу до контенту обраною мовою Бир неча тилдаги мундарижага тезкор кириш имконияти : O'zbek Мавжуд бўлган тиллардаги маьлумотларга кириш учун тегишли бўлимни танланг.In the search box type in "Jehovah" or “Paul Gillies”, “Watchtower”, “General Council for Jehovah”, or “Christian Witnesses” and press enter. This will provide a list of over 250 related documents, press releases, and statements.
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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That's good news Jan. Thanks for letting us know he's well.
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"Put Faith in a Victorious Organization" WT 3/1/79
by WingCommander inthe concept of "the organization" is not new in jw-land.
it's been around since rutherford's time.
ray franz is quoted as saying in the first jw expose documentary entitled "witnesses of jehovah" in 1986: .
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Thanks WingCommander!
Yes! Trust in men is one of their 5 greatest flaws.
The other four in my book include:
- They preach a man-made non-salvific gospel.
- Their Jesus is unrelatable.
- Their shunning practices are often unbiblically cruel and divide families unnecessary.
- Their religion, although Bible-based, is actually unbiblical.
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Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?
by doinmypart inthere's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.
you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.
but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?
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What, wait till the UN attacks false religion? Don't hold your breath.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan
by redsetter2 ini am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.
the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.
i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.
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Hi Mike
The new light is you have the same chance if you die before or are alive at Armageddon. Only if you are really bad will you not be resurrected or killed at Armageddon
I think the new light is "We don't know anymore" maybe, maybe not. So to be on the safe side, be bad, not wicked, and die before the GT or if you plan to hang around make sure you are kinder than the average Joe or better still, join with those who alone have scriptural hope of surviving Armageddon.
It's all nonsense no matter how you cut it.
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New light on shunning?
by Mikejw inone theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.
he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .
what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.
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Ex-JW Analyzer is right on.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan
by redsetter2 ini am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.
the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.
i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.
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Read Matthew 24:45-47
The Faithful Slave was appointed in New York in 1919 at Watchtower Headquarters…invisibly of course. This Slave happened to include at least 7 Watchtower directors as well as Joseph Rutherford, the then president of the Society. The Faithful Slave appointment was passed on to all subsequent Watchtower directors so that today the current 9 man Governing Body is the Slave. If you don't trust them, you don't trust Jehovah.
Who else could the Faithful Slave be? If you don't believe this and obey the Slave, you will be destroyed at Armageddon… unless you die before the great tribulation starts and then you get an automatic pass into paradise.
So either hurry up and die or else come to Jehovah's Organization for salvation before its too late.
By the way, this nonsense is exactly what has been taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses since 2012 when the GB discovered the GB is the Faithful Slave. Better late than never to finally get this clarification from Jehovah.
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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Missing you Punky boy!