Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Ten Mind Games Jehovah's Witnesses Play

by Sea Breeze in

jehovah's witnesses are masters at changing definitions of words to redirect thoughts.

they have done this effectively with common theological terms.

the result is that even when people leave, many still think the jw's have "some truth" and that maybe its just the leadership that is the problem.

Vanderhoven7

The Watchtower has hijacked so many words to fit their theology including "generation", Babylon the Great", "salvation", "other sheep", "Great Crowd " 144,000 etc. etc.

Their version of the "modern other sheep" is fascinating.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (John 10:16)

And other sheep have I, which are not of this fold: no, because the modern other sheep:

1. will only begin being called early on in the 20th century...not before.

2. They will not be saints of God,

3. They will not have the indwelling Holy Spirit.

4. My righteousness will not be imputed to them.

5. They will not be justified to life,

6. They will not merit being raised in the first resurrection

7. I will not be their personal mediator;

8. They will not be part of my New Covenant arrangement.

9. They will not be entitled to partake of the emblems of my death.

10. They will not have a heavenly hope

11. They will be not Spirit Begotten Son's of God.

12. They will need to be affiliated with the Watchtower Society to be saved from ultimate destruction at Armageddon.

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PREPARE TO GET PELTED BY SYMBOLIC HAILSTONES

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/idhmflud3p4?si=9xc4svrhxslduwvz.

so david schafer a member of the teaching commitee and a helper to the governing body has come out yesterday with a new video that goes through the king of the north, the hailstones message and other things in the wake of the possibility of a ww3 and especially now that tensions are escalating with russia so he is making quite a few end time arguments and i will be expanding on those one by one but today let's see what he has about the hailstones message of the end(video) so this is the paragraph in question, paragraph 14 from article 20 of the watchtower 2020 study edition: "sometime after the start of the great tribulation, “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will form a coalition of nations.

(rev.

Vanderhoven7

Yes the stones are literal.

https://youtu.be/2NrXZhLR56Y?si=eq3aoxDiX7ljmjye

I recommend the GB watch this video and repent of their eschatological speculations.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses’ UN Prophecy Fails Again: Trump’s Win Proves Them Wrong

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-kdbs3lcsx8?si=icfla8tzg0p_wdcz.

the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses (gb) has done it again—another bold prophecy, another epic fail.

during their 2024 annual meeting, they confidently announced that the nations of the world would soon hand over their power to the united nations.

Vanderhoven7

"The Governing body does not make prophesies."

And neither can they interpret them.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses’ UN Prophecy Fails Again: Trump’s Win Proves Them Wrong

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-kdbs3lcsx8?si=icfla8tzg0p_wdcz.

the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses (gb) has done it again—another bold prophecy, another epic fail.

during their 2024 annual meeting, they confidently announced that the nations of the world would soon hand over their power to the united nations.

Vanderhoven7

Misinterpreted prophecy will always fail as it has for the Watchtower during the last 130 plus years.

The Faithful Slave has contributed to those failures for over 100 of those years, proving among other things, that they were never given the mandate or ability to interpret biblical prophecy for anyone.

This was the test - the coming down of fire; and the fulfillment exactly on time has proved that Pastor Russell was one of God's great reformers and prophets." Watchtower 1919 Oct 1 p.297"
“For an answer, people should listen to the plain preaching by the remnant prefigured by Jeremiah, for these preach to men the present-day fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecies. Who made them a prophet to speak with the authority that they claim? Well, who made Jeremiah a prophet

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What would it like to see

by JohnR1975 in

what i would like to see and maybe will get there in about another ten years is being a jw is a rewarding thing that enriches your life.. just like other religions out there you may not know the entire truth and maybe not quite right many of the beliefs but to have to idea of a belief centres and stabilises you.. i would like jws to be able to celebrate birthdays and maybe even other holidays if they choose to and not be judged by those who choose not to.. i would like jws to be allowed to have different interpretations of scripture and everyone is happy to agree to disagree and be able to say to each other yes maybe that interpretation is nearer the truth.

we just don’t know.. i would like new members of the gb to issue an apology for previous members getting so many things wrong.. they need to come out and say they were wrong about 1914 this date has no scriptural significance and the same is true of 1919. jws were not chosen in 1919 as the one and only true religion.. we just don’t know about so many things and it takes humility to admit we were wrong.. i would like to see even more lightening up on stupid restrictions like young people being allowed to have a varied friends and activities that are not with jws only..

Vanderhoven7

I would like to see them move away from organization salvation and the Watchtower Armageddon-survival gospel to the biblical gospel.

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

Vanderhoven7

That three WT elders have God's authority to act as judge and jury; to decide guilt and determine repentance

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

Vanderhoven7

Yes that they have the keys of the kingdom ad of 1919.

Dug this up on line a while ago.

The Watchtower claims the Slave has been given all authority.

"The facts of modern history show that in the year 1919 [Jesus] revived these much afflicted disciples and gathered them together in a united body. Then he appointed them as his “slave” class “over all his belongings,” that is, over all his royal interests at the earth." Watchtower 1971 Dec 15 p.750

This is not what was intended by the Scriptures. The Bible states that the appointment over all the belongings is made after the master arrives.

Matthew 24:46,47 "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving (erchomai) finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings."

The master has not yet arrived, as the memorial is to cease on his arrival, and so the Slave has not been appointed over all the belongings.

1 Corinthians 11:26 "For as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives (erchomai)."

The leaders have prematurely seized control for themselves, and consolidated that control. The 2012 version of the doctrine leaves Christians uncared for between 33 CE and 1919 CE, and elevates the exclusivity and importance of Governing Body. This is in contrast to the parable, which indicates that at this time the elders are to be shepherds of the congregation.

One would expect that the definition for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to be a person that worships Jehovah. However, the defining concept to being a Jehovah's Witness is not worship of Jehovah, but rather following the "faithful and discreet slave." In a judicial committee, the foremost question is not whether a Witness believes the Bible or worships Jehovah, but whether they believe God is using the Watchtower Faithful and Discreet Slave in our day. If a person believes in the Bible and Jehovah, they will still be disfellowshipped as an apostate if they openly confess that the Watchtower leaders do not represent Jehovah's slave.

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

Vanderhoven7

Yes, but remember the Watchtower magazine consistently reported the parousia occurred in1874 and Christ's enthronement in 1878 right up to the 1930s. Further, when Armageddon didn't happen in 1914 or 1918, the F&DS, appointed in 1919, proclaimed that 1925 would see Armageddon and the start of the general resurrection. Why in 1926 you would be able to call Abraham in Jerusalem and ask that granny be raised if you built an extension onto your home for her.

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

Vanderhoven7

Here are two of my favorites as reported by Goles Grey:

Here is a lie made by the Society in 1993:-

“The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914.” Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

However, the Watchtower once claimed that Jesus took up his kingly throne in 1878:-

“… 1874 as the time of our Lord’s second presence as Bridegroom and Reaper, and to April 1878 as the time when he began to exercise his office of King of kings and Lord of lords…” – Studies in the Scriptures – Thy Kingdom Come (1911 ed.) p.150
“The spring of A.D. 1878 (three and a half years later) corresponds to the date at which our Lord assumed the office of King…” – Studies in the Scriptures – The Time Is At Hand 1915 ed. p.235

It’s not clear why the writers of the 1993 Watchtower lied, but there is it in black and white.

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Here is another lie:-

“Jehovah’s witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of “the conclusion of the system of things.” – Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

This claim is also provably untrue.

In the decades leading up to the year 1914, Jehovah’s Witnesses taught:-

“THE ‘Time of the End,” a period of one hundred and fifteen(115) years, from A.D. 1799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures.” Studies in the Scriptures – Thy Kingdom Come p.23
But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of troubles.” – Zion’s Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
“In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1914.” – Studies in the Scriptures – The Time Is At Hand (1889) p.98-99

Decades before 1914, the Watchtower taught that that date marked the ‘end of the conclusion of the system of things’ with the war of Armageddon, contrary to what was stated in the 1973 Awake magazine.

It is particularly satisfying that their lies have finally caught up with them.

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

Vanderhoven7

That the Faithful Slave knows anything about Bible eschatology.

Two photos released showing bethelites running from the fires…priorities in hand 😉