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  Is the use of animal blood products allowed?

  by Pat_4037 in

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  2. medical

  i recently saw a program on discovery health where a jw had been bitten by a rattle snake.

  he was in critical condition but refused blood transfusions.

  he did receive about 36 units of antivenom which eventually led to his succesful recovery.. this morning i learned that antivenom is made from the blood of sheep.

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  I recently saw a program on Discovery Health where a JW had been bitten by a rattle snake. He was in critical condition but refused blood transfusions. He did receive about 36 units of Antivenom which eventually led to his succesful recovery.

  This morning I learned that antivenom is made from the blood of sheep. Should he have refused the antivenom?

  Blessings - Pat

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  Critical care products derived from sheep polyclonal antibodies. The raw material (serum) for the products comes from the sheep.

  At 18 weeks, they reach their peak antibody level and are then bled every four weeks in a fashion similar to what happens at the Red Cross. Animals are first bled at about 20 months of age and generally remain in the research flock until they are 7.5 years old.

  Once the blood has been harvested, it is transported to the manufacturing facility where the bags are spun in centrifuges to separate the red blood cells from the serum, containing the antibodies. The antibodies are extracted and purified to form the end product.

  · Rattlesnake anti-venom
  Products include North American rattlesnake anti-venom, an antidote for overdoses of the heart drug Digoxin, CytoFab™ for the control of sepsis-syndrome or septic shock,and a Prolarix™, a novel anti-cancer drug.
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  Christians: Do you believe Jesus is the only way?

  by sabastious in

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  2. friends

  i was walking around town and a guy on a bike comes up to and shoves a cardboard bum sign in my face with "jesus is the only way" written in classy sharpy marker.. check out this scripture:.

  john 14: 6 - jesus answered, "i am the way and the truth and the life.

  no one comes to the father except through me.. according to this scripture the guy's sharpy message was correct.. do you believe this message?.

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  YES - Jesus said I believe it. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jeus.

  Blessings - Pat
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  Questions after Statements

  by IMHO in

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  2. friends

  anyone an expert in english grammar?.

  why do the jw writers (annoyingly imo) so often use a one word question after a statement.. .

  full-time service protectsus how?.

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  That's a great question and observation. Why? One could add "or why not? Then you encourage thinking.

  Seriously I will try to be more observant regarding this form of communication. I agree that by making a statement first you avoid open dialog and appear to be speaking the truth of the matter. When in reality it may be your truth but not someone else's.

  Blessings - Pat
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  Jehovahs Witnesses: the only organization preaching the good news !

  by chrisjoel in

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  2. friends

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hisblir_2sw.

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  "...Of course the good news is that jesus came in 1914 invisibly and he has been separating the sheep from the goats through use of the Watchtower Bible Tract Society."

  Question: Is the JW that comes to my door doing so because he believes that the 1914 invisible return is true? At what age is a JW taught this? Does he believe that he is part of Gods plan to seperate the sheep from the goats? If I asked him about this would he be evasive or answer me directly? Thanks for your video and for your wonderful insights.

  Blessings - Pat
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  Mind Control

  by brotherdan in

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  2. friends

  so i've been reading stephen hassan's book on mind control and he made an interesting point that made me think about myself.

  he asks the question, "what makes some people just walk out of cults on their own, while others require much harsher measures from others to get them out?".

  most of you know that i was thoroughly indoctrinated as a jw.

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  http://www.hallam.faithweb.com/index.html This is the URL to our web site. On my About Me page you can read a shortened version of my testimony. or you can read my introductory statement as follows.

  I have enjoyed reading the many posts here. Someone mentioned that I slipped in unseen so here I am for all to meet. In 1964 I entered college as a diest and by 1966 I was a committed Athiest. In 1967 I had a near death experience and immediately found myself in a place of torment. I knew that I belonged there and would be there for eternity. As I took this all in I reallized that there is a consciousness after death. Not nothingness as I had believed. A thought entered my mind that asked me "What have you done in your life that was without selfish motives. I thought about it and was overcome with regret because I knew that I always acted FOR MY OWN PURPOSES. I was sorry that that was so.

  When I came too and realized I was back in this world something had changed in me and I now began a 3 year search for spiritual reality. I dabbled in the New Age, and other fringe religous movements but they did not fill my needs. Shortly after the birth of my 3rd child two young men appeared at my door. I thought they might be Mormons but they turned out to be JWs. They asked me to read a pamphlet that asked the question "should Christians read the Bible?". I told them I was not a Christian but if I were I would say that reading the Bible would be the thing to do. For a few weeks they would come and we would visit then I suddenly found myself reading the Bible and being intrigued by the person of Jesus. I actually called a local Kingdom Hall and requested that someone come and help me understand who this Jesus was. Soon a young couple was sent and they began a weekly Bible Study with me. They would come on Tuesday afternoon and a few months later I was invited to a Tuesday evening Bible Study with a group of Christians from the neighborhood. On my first visit to this study I shared with them what I was learning with the JWs and a young woman suggested we get together to talk as she had studied with JWs for 2 years. Since she was not a JW I felt she might have some much needed insights into this group. I continued to study with both groups but I found myself drawn to the Christians in the evening study. They were very accepting of me and I appreciated their patience. The JWs would ask me what I had read and what did I understand it to mean. If my understanding of the scriptures I was reading differed from their understanding they would tell me I was wrong and correct me. This got to be quite tedious and I felt that somehow I didn't need someone else to interpret what I was reading and understanding. I began to visit at the local Kingdom Hall and joined a Bible Study that was held there and i discovered they didn't even read their Bibles for this study. They simply studied from a book that told them what the Bible was really saying in those areas. Pretty much a commentary study. This did not sit well with me and eventually I bld fairwell to the coup[le I was being mentored by and told them that I was headed in a different direction than what they taught. I said if my search for truth brought me back to them I would return. But I like to point out that after almost 40 years I've never been back and eventually came to not only believe in God but I eventually accepted Jesus as God Incarnate and the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Trinity.

  I have always had a warm affection for the JWs because through them I was directed to the truth and I yearn to share with them the truth that will set them free. I recently have been witnessing to a young JW who persistently returns to my home for visits and since I believe that God wants me to continue to witness to him I found this place on the internet hoping to understand where he is comming from. And if God should grant me the opportunity to see his eyes opened to the truth a place like this would be ideal for him to come. He is a 2nd or 3rd generation JW and very much devoted to the work that sends him house to house. This is everything in a larger nutshell. But I believe God has been preparing me for ministry to fringe groups for years. I have spent time with a Shaman who was so taken by Jesus she felt he must be a great Shamam and I had a 2nd generation Mormon living at our home for about 6 months and although she enjoyed our time together she left a "Jack Mormon" her term not mine. I believe some plant seeds, others water and still others reap where others have sown.

  Blessings - Pat
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  Mind Control

  by brotherdan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i've been reading stephen hassan's book on mind control and he made an interesting point that made me think about myself.

  he asks the question, "what makes some people just walk out of cults on their own, while others require much harsher measures from others to get them out?".

  most of you know that i was thoroughly indoctrinated as a jw.

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  Paul had the same problem regarding his own Jewish people. He lamented that he would give up his own salvation, if he could, so that Isreal would turn to their Messiah, Yeshua,aka Jesus. But apparently it wasn't part of Gods plan at the time. Their blindness was part of Gods plan for our salvation. The veil that covers the eyes of many is something only God can remove. We believe because God imparts the faith to us to do so. If I had been smart or clever enough to figure it out for myself then I would have something to boast about and Gods gift would no longer be free and undeserved it would be a work of man

  We continue to pray that God will open the eyes of the blinded ones that we love and care about. He hears our prayers and he is working on their behalf in ways we do not see.

  Blessings - Pat

  PS If I wasn't home this week suffering from a terrible cold I wouldn't have found this site or have had the time to read and post as much as I have. I am not happy to be sick but I am very happy to be here.
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  My Lord spoke and told me to post

  by watersprout in

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  2. friends

  my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

  i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

  i replied ''who is this?

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  Our Lord is commonly referred to as "Jesus Christ", as 
  if "Jesus" was His first name and "Christ" was His last name. In 
  actuality, His name in Hebrew and Aramaic (the languages He spoke) was 
  "Yeshua", which means salvation. During His life on earth, He was called 
  "Yeshua". 
  
  At the time Yeshua lived on earth, kings were given their authority in 
  ceremonies where they were anointed with olive oil. Yeshua was known as 
  the "Mashiach" (Messiah) or The Anointed One having been anointed with 
  God's authority. Thus He was known as "Yeshua Ha Mashiach", or Yeshua
  the Anointed One.
  
  Blessings - Pat
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  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

  but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

  after all, salvation does not come from an organization.

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  By grace [undeserved favor] you are saved [forgiven and brought into a restored relationship with God] by Faith , and that not of yourself it is the gift of God lest any man should boast.

  Amazing grace it truly is .. unearned, undeserved and unconditional. WOW !!!

  Blessings - Pat
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  Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do some jw's go to heaven?

  i read both of ray franz's books, and i was left with the impression that in his opinion, being a christian and being a jw were not necessarily mutually exclusive.

  some of my christian coworkers have also expressed similar thoughts, when they say that there are "christ's brothers" within many different denominations.

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  This is my view "leavingwt",

  Yes, there will be JWs going to Heaven. If they have confessed that they are sinners and believe that Jesus died to save them from their sins. All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. There is no other name given under Heaven whereby we are saved. Many JWs truly love Jesus and whether they ever leave the organization or not they will still go to Heaven.

  Salvation accomplishes a restored relationship with our creator.

  Blessings - Pat
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  need to get over it but cant :(

  by bez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i text my little girls friends mum today as her daughter left some clothes (funnily enough, they were army pants and a t shirt, what ever happened to not supporting the army by not wearing calmoflage print etc!!!)..

  i told her i would put them in a bag and told her she could call in for them whenever she was passing... anyway i just had my reply, hi, just keep them, *** will be out of them by next year anyway, so *** may as well just have them.

  hope your all ok...x. so i take it thats her in basic words sayin... keep them cus i dont want to see you again and your apostate influence... i knew people would take this approach to our decision to not continue going to the meetings but i just am really struggling to deal with it without feeling like i have a disease that they do not want to catch :(.

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  A special Christian Lady, Corrie tenBoom, once said:

  Look about and be distressed,

  Look within and be depressed,

  Look to God and be at rest.

  Remember that Peter only began to sink when he took his eys off Jesus and looked at the sea and the waves.

  May God keep your heart and mind in Christ Jesus.

  Blessings - Pat