So...
In conclusion, even if the story is borrowed... err... stolen.... err... culturally appropriated, it's still God lying about the fruit.....
MeanMrMustard
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
A baby goat rather than a child. Although…
The point there was really that it is an inconsistent list of commandments
Maybe not... if you consider back in the day when you didn't have a knowledge of good and evil, well, God might decide throw in one of the old commandments for good measure. We already know (from new manuscripts) Adam probably had some goat issues.... Kinda like a "Oh and by the way, don't do this... the first guy had some trouble with it, but you should know better since the whole tree thing.... but I'll say it for good measure".
You know, its like getting a superman cape from the costume store and it says "doesn't actually make you fly" on a warning label. You just know someone did something dumb in the past...
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
‘don’t boil a kid in its mother’s milk’
This does seem like a reasonable requirement though...
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
@KOW:
Were you able to read the new manuscript, recently unearthed, that I had no hand in creating, documenting further interactions between God and Adam? I pasted the translation on page 6 of this thread.
Since you view these stories as a way of communicating deeper truths, not to be taken as literal history (a view I share), what sort of lesson do you see in the new manuscript text?
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
Jeez Jeffro - the dude says he actually hates you. Wow. I mean, wow. What did you do to him?
He loves me though. I'm definitely in the "everyone else" category.
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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse
by Starlight.vee inlike the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
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MeanMrMustard
Isn't this question kinda like : "What if all our cats turn to unicorns and solved world poverty by knitting quality jeans?"
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Ages of each user here?
by ukpimo ini'm interested to know the age demographics here.
it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.
it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.
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MeanMrMustard
Would you also like my home address, phone number, full name and SSN?
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
Just had an interesting interaction with a Rabbi online.
I've never started a post with that statement. Congrats.
...the pericope is a dramatization of the superiority of humans over animals in their "being like God". This elevation has the consequences (cost) of self-awareness (nakedness) and acute sense of mortality (day you eat you will die). Rather than being a 'fall' in fact it was a celebration of human intelligence and psychology while acknowledging our mortality.
I agree.
There are stories like this in indigenous groups everywhere.
Yeap.
No argument from me.
But there are two categories of Bible readers: those that think Genesis is literal history, and those that do not. Clearly it's less insane to not think of it as actual history.
But if you do.. well, there's a lot of internal problems with the story.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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MeanMrMustard
If you are saying that Adam was created without literal knowledge of "good and evil" and that God's command was therefore like expecting a dog to know the difference between sweet poison and sweet juice, then you are also saying that the other aspects of the text are literal too.
I'm just taking the story at face value. There was a tree of "knowledge of good and evil". At some point, if you believe this story as literal history, they ate the fruit. Ok, what did that act impart to those pre-humans? Was it the knowledge of good and evil?
Genesis 2:25 says they felt no shame before eating. Chapter 3:7 they became aware of their nakedness, felt shame. They had (v 5) began to "know good and evil".
So, before - no knowledge of good and evil. After, they are "like god" knowing good and evil. This is the story handed to us by JWs and other people who take this as history.
I was exploring what it means for a human (pre-human) to be in that state, and what it implies about their ability to take the "right" course of action. And what that means about the culpability of doing "wrong".
Everyone keeps focusing on the serpent, whether you believe it was Satan or not, as being so clever. Oh poor Eve. She was tricked, lied to, and now look at us. No, she wasn't tricked. She had no idea what was happening to her. She couldn't decern good from evil. She couldn't detect deception because she couldn't understand evil.
I compared them to a dog because without a moral compass there is nothing to guide self control, and even if they are incredibly intelligent, they would behave like dogs.