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  If You Have Had the CO or DO Stay With You...

  by A question in

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  2. friends

  for those of you who have had the co/do stay with you for the week:.

  how was the experience?.

  how did they spend their free time?

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  Alfred

  In the late 70's, we had CO Rene Vazquez (mentioned in COC) over for lunch a few times... He was a pleasant, humble and spoke from the heart.
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  Do YOU Believe That JWs Have A Huge Problem With Pedophiles?

  by minimus in

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  2. child-abuse

  i don't think there are more pedophiles in the religion than there are in others.. i understand that one is too many.

  but i think some believe that it's an epidemic within the organization.

  i believe their 2 witness rule can help pedophiles secretly abuse kids.. but i don't think that this particular crime dominates those in the religion.. .

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  Alfred

  Lady Lee... that's just terrible.... I'm really sorry to learn your story..... I must say, you're incredibly strong.
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  How come you have to wait on Jehovah? Shouldn't he be faster than you?

  by dgp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if jehovah created the universe, knows it all, et cetera, and then he has a direct line to the governing body, how come you're always told to "wait on jehovah"?

  can a simple earthling be faster in his or her reasoning than yhwh?

  can s/he notice something jehovah will miss?.

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  Alfred

  Whenever there's a question that the WT can't answer, the proof text that usually gets defaulted to is Micah 7:7...

  But this text is simply referring to Micah's need to wait on Jehovah to settle the corruption that existed in the society that this prophet was living in... Micah wasn't waiting on Jehovah for any Nu-Lite or "further clarification" of the latest flip-flop or anything having to do with doctrine or prophecies...

  As a matter of fact, when it comes to doctrines or prophecies that we have questions on, the Bible says that we should NOT wait on Jehovah (Deu 18:20-22, 1 Tes 5:21, 1 John 4:1)...
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  Does being a JW and having a felony up your value in the kingdom hall?

  by 2tone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  maybe this has been previously been discussed.

  in my area in the us.

  it seems that jw men that are felons or have served time seem to have more value.

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  Alfred

  what Prodigal Son said...

  The WT does have a way of "softening" men to the point of making them "unattractive" push-overs... the only problem with that is that the hottest JW women tend to go for the rebel types (while the plain-Janes simply get the left-overs in the congo)... so getting out of prison and becoming a JW puts does tend to "up your value" at least with the hot chicks in the congo... (also, if you were a cop or just got out of the military) ...I hate to generalize but that has been my observation...
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  Thought Control (A simple test for JW's)

  by TD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in george orwell's novel 'nineteen eighty-four' the capitulation of the principal protagonist is portrayed in his willingness to assent to the proposition that two and two make five.

  once he had denied objective reality, his mental conquest was complete and he was no longer truly the master of his own mind.

  nineteen eighty-four is in many ways, a very depressing read.. a charge commonly leveled at jehovah's witnesses is that the type of mind control envisioned by orwell has been and continues to be used on them.

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  Alfred

  "The fact that they [the Bible Students] were able to pinpoint that year [1914] is just phenomenal." -Anthony Morris, Governing Body Member (Faith In Action DVD- 2010)
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  Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

  i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

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  Alfred

  Bumping this thread for mankeli...
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  WT Flip-Flops on Jesus’ Inspection… Was it in 1918 or 1919?... Did the WT PASS or FAIL?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is utterly ridiculous.... .

  the more i research this particular subject, the more flip-flops i uncover.

  it seems the fds cant even make up their minds regarding what happened in 1918 (or should i say 1919?).

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  Alfred

  bumping this thread for mankeli...
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  UK charity "Refuge" gives response to WT article on domestic abuse

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure by now you are all aware of the feb 15th, 2012 study edition of the watchtower, and its outrageous experience depicting domestic violence.. as you may know, i have been looking into the matter in some detail.

  i decided to contact the uk domestic abuse charity "refuge".

  they indicated their concern towards the article and offered to help in any way they could.

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  Alfred

  My cousin, an ex-bethelite, used to beat his wife constantly... his wife either denied it or justified it (to prevent reproach on Jehovah's name, etc.) but the truth eventually came out, and her parents took her in... don't know if they ever got divorced or not but they're definitely not under the same roof any more...

  When we were kids, I could tell he was always filled with rage for whatever reason... My brother and I used to always wonder why he got so worked up whenever we played with his toys since we never had a problem when he played with ours...

  But as the years passed, he became extremely "spiritual", got promoted to MS, went to Bethel, got married to a pioneer and everything appeared to be just fine... he was completely transformed into this "model" christian rarely seen in any congo...

  And then the rage came out all over again... we don't know what sparked it, but he began beating his wife over a period of several years and the BOE did little or nothing to stop it simply because she kept defending him and saying everything was finally OK...

  But to answer your question... you're not being dramatic at all... this is a serious life-or-death issue that needs to be exposed to the media...
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  john aquila brown pdf

  by diamondiiz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this pdf of brown's book which describes his 7 times and 606bc and 1917 calculations.

  http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1823_even-tide_gentile_times.pdf.

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  Alfred

  Hate to state the obvious here... But for you lurkers out there with a WT CD.... You'll notice that the Watchtower has never mentioned this embarrassing book (The Even Tide) or it's whacky author (John Aquila Brown) because, quite stupidly, they want to take full credit for this absurd "360 days X 7 times" calculation which was arbitrarily converted into ordinary years of 365 days each (all without any Biblical basis whatsoever)...

  This was then "recycled" by various religions including the Adventists who eventually realized it was too ridiculous to sustain. But Russell ran with it, made it his own and then dazzled everyone with BS when Armageddon didn't come as predicted... "Oh no wait! Don't leave now! I'll think of something!... I've got it... Armageddon is just around the corner... yeah, that's it... we'll go with that for now." But Rutherford eventually saw the need to buy some time, so he had the 1874 second presence of Jesus moved to 1914 in the 1920's, wrote Millions Now Living and called it a day...

  But what a lot of JWs don't know is that Anthony Morris of the Governing Body gives full credit to the Bible Students for this calculation in the 2010 DVD "Faith in Action" released at the 2010 District Convention worldwide...

  His exact words were: "The fact that they [the Bible Students] were able to pinpoint that year is just phenomenal"...

  That's right... a flat-out lie about the origin of the 607-1914 doctrine by Anthony Morris recorded on video for everyone to see...

  Anyway... just thought I'd bump this thread because the jerk who started it all was John Aquila Brown and he is rarely mentioned...

  (end of rant)
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  Too fat for the kingdom of God !

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  former jehovah's witness servant dick borghi along with elders in the lowell, ma.

  congregation were asked by the circuit overseer to vote on whether to disfellowship overweight brothers and sisters.. this was very troubling to dick for two reasons.. 1... brother borghi thought it would be the responsibility of the faithfull and discrete slave to lay out a precise directive on the basis for this unusual request.

  what criteria would have to be met to make such an awkward decision?.

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  Alfred

  At what time will you make the SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTabout "Johnny the Bethelite"?