Posts by drewcoul

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Why would abandoning 1914 mean they are not chosen by God?

by InterestedOne in

i've read here that if the wt admits 607 is wrong or if 1914 is wrong, the logical result is that god did not choose them as his org.

can someone explain to me how that logically follows?.

couldn't they just say, "we have received new light on that, have learned that we cannot give a specific date (like how they abandoned 1935), but look, we adhere to the bible more strictly than anyone else, we strive to 'keep the cong clean' more than any other group, etc., so therefore, we must be chosen by god as his only org.

drewcoul

I love these topics!!!!!

It really gets me thinking and realizing that I wasn't the only one who just "went along" with what the WTS said. Most of us were really believers. I know I was.

I got out the ol' "Revelation- It's Grand Climax at Hand" book. (apparently the grand climax being at hand was in 1988, so 23 years ago....I can't believe it's been that long) I still see my notes and underlines.......But I digress.....

All throughout the book, it points to 1914 as being the beginning of Jesus' rule in heaven. It even claims that the prophecies in Revelation were fulfilled with various WTS conventions, resolutions, and publications. THere are so many, I cannot even begin to list them. You'll find on page 173, a list of 7 "Trumpetlike Judgement Proclamations" that were all fulfilled from 1922-1928. These are conventions that were held in the US, Canada, and the UK.

All of these, in fact the entire "Climax" book and an innumerable amount of articles, publications, and talks start with the premise of 1914 being the year Jesus was enthroned as King, and the "End of the Gentile Times."

So, it would not only hurt their credibility to change the 1914 date, it would make nearly all of their publications regarding prophesy completely meaningless. The only thing that would stand up is their general outlook on "Christian living" which all Christians agree with.

They have held on to the idea of 1914 for over 120 years (according to their own literature) They are in too deep to change it now.

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Currently going to an accelerated college...and its bringing me back down to earth!

by Joliette in

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i am currently going to school for criminal justice with a administration in human services...and boy oh boy!

you think you know it all, you been to college before and this teacher can't tell you nothing that you dont already know.

man, was i wrong (smh).

drewcoul

Joliette,

I am doing the same thing. I am working on my bachelor degree in engineering. I can't answer the question about Bethel, but I wanted to say GOOD FOR YOU!!!

I was born in and am currently 38 years old. How much easier would it have been if we were encouraged to go to college when we were young with less responsibilities and more time to devote to our learning.

My twin brother went back as an adult and is now a practicing attorney. It's sad that so many fine young intelligent JW's willl be relegated to scrubbing toilets, cleaning carpets, or working night shift while they pioneer when they should be getting an education.

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Did the aliens get Outlaw, after all?

by tec in

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just haven't heard from him lately.

maybe i've just missed his posts?.

tammy.

drewcoul

Do you think he ran out of pictures?

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A Lurker taking a step out of the shadows

by AlmightyDog in

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i have been lurking on this site and others for a couple of years now, and i feel it is time to step out and say "hello!

" when i first began investigating my beliefs, it was innocent enough.

i had been reading an article on scientology, thinking; "wow, these people are just plain nuts!!!

drewcoul

AD,

Great to meet you. I empathize with your situation. It sounds like you have a wonderful family. I can appreciate your inlaws and their interest in trying to encourage you. It is with love that they are acting, and that's obvious to me. Even though they may be wrong, and unreasonable, they are motivated by love, and it seems like you appreciate that.

You have quite a row to hoe. I was raised as a Witness, and have been out for just a few years. I'm still deprogramming.

Keep prayerful, and remember we don't stand as a group before God, we stand as individuals. You have to do what's best for you and your family.

I wish you all of the best, and Welcome!

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Fred Franz

by d in

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for all those here who who saw and may have met fred franz.what would he say about global warming, facebook twitter, the death of mitcahel jackson since mitchael was a witness.what would he say about lady gaga, justin biber, usher and emeniem.how do you think he would have reacted to the events of 9/11 and bible prophecy.would he see it as true signs of the end.. so the overall question how would fred franz respond to the 21 st century with it's advanved technolgy and war on terrorism and the economic crisis that this country (the u.s) is facing.please tell us your thoughts..

drewcoul

here's the link:

http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/SpecialTalks/Franz%20Fred%20-%20Increasing%20in%20Appreciation%20of%20Jehovahs%20Organization.mp3

There's lots of talks on this website if you're interested.

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A catalog of talks if you're interested

by drewcoul in

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i found this on the internet, if anyone is interested in listening to some older talks, or talks by people they may know.

i was able to hear some talks by an old friend of mine who is now a co. interesting too to hear some of the old talks by the gb......... http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/.

drewcoul

If you can get stomach the BS, you can get some really good quotes and information to use against those who are still in.

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Fred Franz

by d in

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for all those here who who saw and may have met fred franz.what would he say about global warming, facebook twitter, the death of mitcahel jackson since mitchael was a witness.what would he say about lady gaga, justin biber, usher and emeniem.how do you think he would have reacted to the events of 9/11 and bible prophecy.would he see it as true signs of the end.. so the overall question how would fred franz respond to the 21 st century with it's advanved technolgy and war on terrorism and the economic crisis that this country (the u.s) is facing.please tell us your thoughts..

drewcoul

I listened recently to a recording of him at Butler University in 1983 or so. I remember going there with my Mom and Dad to listen to him. I was about 11 years old at the time and couldn't follow him. When I listened to it again recently, I STILL CAN'T FOLLOW IT!!!! It's nonsensical!

"It was here in the year nineteen hundred and twenty fiiiiive that the fourth vial of Revelation was poured out.....right here in Indianapolis, Indiana......"

That's a direct quote.

I'm sure he would find a prophetic fulfillment of 9/11/01 since he was able to find fulfillment of Bible prophecy because it was extremely hot in the summer of 1925 in Indianapolis.

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wheres Yknot

by im stuck in in

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i haven't seen yknot here lately does anyone know whats up?

i have enjoyed the posts very much.

stuck in.

drewcoul

I haven't seen anything posted by Ynot or Outlaw in quite a while.

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Am I wrong about this aspect of WTS theology?

by drewcoul in

it seems to me, that if the wts is right, the only thing that would matter is that people are converted to the jw religion before armageddon.

all people throughout the thousands of years of human history will be resurrected according to them, right?

only except for those who are df'd when they die.

drewcoul

It seems to me, that if the WTS is right, the only thing that would matter is that people are converted to the JW religion before armageddon. All people throughout the thousands of years of human history will be resurrected according to them, right? Only except for those who are DF'd when they die. Therefore, those who died as faithful JW's before armageddon fare no better than those who were never JW's and die before armageddon.

Is my understanding correct? I was raised as a Witness, and this has always bothered me. How in the world does this make any sense?

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Hypocrisy 101 - Watchtower has Payed for College/College Courses for Bethelites!

by Crisis of Conscience in

no you did not read the title wrong.

i was out to eat this weekend with two bethelites.

one gave a talk in my hall and i was invited out to dinner with them by another family in my hall.. as the conversation always turns to "spiritual" things, the subject of education was brought up.

drewcoul

CofC,

I don't know the numbers, but I do know the society has paid for college for some Bethelites.

I can also tell you that Judah Ben Schroeder who is the son of deceased GB member Albert Schroeder went to college. I think Judah Ben Schroeder pretty much grew up at Bethel since his dad was a member of the GB for many years. I don't know who paid for it. I suppose Albert Schroeder could have been affluent enough to pay for it himself, or perhaps Judah Ben Schroeder paid for it himself. I don not know. I do know that when I visited the congregation that they each attended one time in 1995, the brother I was with told me that he was a college graduate and I thought it was the height of hypocrisy, but, like we all used to do, I just squashed it and put it in the back of my mind and thought it didn't matter.