I knew two. One was a pioneer who had a part on the CA the Saturday before he hanged himself from a bridge in north-central Indiana.
Another I grew up with who OD'd intentionally about a year ago. Funerals both by elders.
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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Draconian Rules for Attending "Special Convention"
by BluesBrother inbritish dubs are invited to attend a special convention next summer in dublin , irish republic.
o k, this kind of trip has been done many times before.
however i have never seen such a crude and rigid set of rules that would apply to their own people going on a trip, at their own expense of course.
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drewcoul
Maybe I should know this, but I'm not familiar with a "Special Convention." I've been to each and every DC held when I was in, and to a couple International conventions, but I don't remember the term "Special Convention" Could someone explain what it is?
I am astounded by the ridiculous stipulations!!! No one who needs wheelchairs or oxygen???? You must pay for a 7 day stay???
The rules for the DC was one thing (It was a composite "thing") that started my thinking. I didn't like being told I couldn't buy food from a vendor, that I had to wait to cross the road until the pimply faced kid told me I could cross, that I couldn't stand in the aisle with my infant son to watch the drama, to be told to take my seat by some MS wannabe with an "Attendant" tag on, while the PO from my mom and dad's congregation spent most of the convention time in the concourse chatting it up with old friends of his.
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i am a regular pioneer in my cong reading crisis of conscience.here goes...
by MsGrowingGirl20 ini'm on page 90 right now...the info is definitely new and gives me a totally diff view as to how i used to think of faithful and discreet slave.
i was thoroughly disgusted with the way the brothers handled the oral sex and leadership problem and the insight on the scriptures book...... still have alot of questions though.
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drewcoul
Welcome MsGrowingGirl!
I love these threads!!! Many of us on this board are former pioneers, MS's, Elders, even a few special pioneers and gilead graduates. CofC was a real eye-opener for me about some things, but what really put me over the edge was In Search of Christian Freedom.
Again, Welcome!!! It's great to have you here!!
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Jehovahs Witness Information For Indianapolis
by Tofayel in[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:punctuationkerning /> <w:validateagainstschemas /> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:saveifxmlinvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:ignoremixedcontent> <w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext>false</w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext> <w:compatibility> <w:breakwrappedtables /> <w:snaptogridincell /> <w:wraptextwithpunct /> <w:useasianbreakrules /> <w:dontgrowautofit /> </w:compatibility> <w:browserlevel>microsoftinternetexplorer4</w:browserlevel> </w:worddocument> </xml><!
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[endif]now people are strongly organized against jehovahs witnesses in indianapolis.
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drewcoul
The website the OP links to is stupid. There is a list of towns on the left. What is strange is when you click on a city, you get the EXACT same site. What's the point of the links to different cities.
2Tone: I am also in Indy (Carmel actually) and I agree. There's nothing that says Indy is dedicated to protecting children. The only thing we seem dedicated to right now is the upcoming Superbowl.
Anway, I know nearly each of the individuals in the website that is linked in the OP. Bob Edinger, as far as I know, is a very good man. I remember seeing him at a DC and he spoke to me and my wife at the time. Her mother was disfellowshipped and he told her: "Tell her we love her, and we miss her." That has always stuck with me.
Steve Steuer and Chuck Davis are also good individuals. Perhaps misguided as we all were, but good men.
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University after leaving the Watchtower?
by SweetBabyCheezits inhello, you sexy sassy posters of jwn.
i'm starting this thread in the hopes of finding... uh, hope.... and sharing it with others who are in a similar boat.
i'm looking for input from anyone who meets the following criteria:.
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drewcoul
- raised by devout JWs
- skipped university after high school due to WT propaganda
- got married and had one or more kids
- woke up later and left the WT
- decided to invest in a real university education
- not made of time or money
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes.
My brother (Twin) was the first of us to go to college. He ended up getting his law degree and currently is a prosecutor. I remember talking with him in my car when he visited and telling him he sounded like an apostate. It turns out he was just ahead of me by about ten years. I started going to night classes a number of years ago, then quit. I have since restarted my education, and have two years to go to be a full fledged engineer. It is a sacrafice of time due to the studying and papers to write, but absolutely worth it. My son quit going to the meetings about two years ago (he's now 18) and he sees the flaws in the org. He was baptized when he was 12. I am trying to get him to go to college when he graduates this spring. Fortunately, though, he isn't going to serve the WTBTS until his early 30's before waking up like his dad did.
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Jehovahs Witness Information For Evansville
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drewcoul
Tofayel- You have a PM
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Are we living with the last generation of Scientologists?
by Gayle inhttp://www.thevine.com.au/news/current-affairs/know-this-tv-binging,-immaterial-products,-scientology's-end,-italian-tears,-the-kickstarter-scam20120122.aspx.
are we living with the last generation of scientologists?
over the past decade, membership has dropped in the us by 20,000. in an article for lrb titled "religion, grrrr" rachel aviv reviews one of the only academic studies of scientology to date.
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drewcoul
On an episode of "Family Guy," Peter went to a Scientology church for some reason......he was in an office talking to a leader for some reason and there was a poster in the room that said:
"SCIENTOLOGY- Making Mormons look sane since 1952"
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Rand Paul Detained by TSA
by NewChapter inrand paul set off the scanner at the airport.
they wanted to do a full body patdown.
he refused it and asked to be scanned again.
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Are they out of control?
Yes. They are poorly trained, and for the most part, unintelligent dolts. Have you ever had a conversation with any of them? I have and I was surprised at how unbelievably stupid and simple minded they are. Do they really believe a senator or congressman (regardless of party) are a threat to the airlines. For god's sake, these are the same people who voted to put the TSA into existence in the first place!!!!
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"NEW LIGHT" FROM BROTHER WALDO D/O SANTA MARIA ,CALIFORNIA 1/22/2012 "HOW JEHOVAH IS LIKE BROTHERS ACCUSED OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis ini was shocked to hear how the slander against jehovah's name that we see in the world can be compared to a good man accused of being a child molester.
he went on to describe how terrible such an accusation would be, and how "friends" of the accused would know he's not capable of such an act and would rally to his defense.
at several points in the talk, he refers back to the child molester "example" and how eventually, despite the hideous slander heaped on a man in this situation (depicting jehovah in the bigger picture, we assume), that man's good reputation would be restored.
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drewcoul
Correct me if I am wrong but nothing gets said at a district convention that isn't word for word in the manuscript provided by headquarters! NOTHING!!!
Speakers are provided a manuscript and someone sits in the audience and follows along to make sure there are no changes.
Lady Lee: There are two types of talks given at the DC. One is a manuscript and the other is an outline. DO's and CO's don't usually give manuscript talks except for the Public Address at the DC. The symposiums are usually Manuscripts as well as the talks with the new releases. I'm not sure exactly which ones are which with regard to the rest of the program, but I do know there are both outlines and manuscripts.
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UGH! WT & Awake at my client's office!
by baltar447 inso i have a client i'm working at this morning.
in the break room i saw about 3 wt & awake!
rags.
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drewcoul
@Troubled mind: LMAO!!!!.... I don't know how to put in an emoticon of a smiley face rolling on the floor laughing, but that's what I would like to put here.