Ding dong it! Why are there so many greedy chicks out there as they give the rest of us a bad name? Besides, making a nice wage and being a strong JW almost never happen in real life.
NLW's wife
nolongerwaiting
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Hey everybody...Introduction
by 2tone inhello everyone, id like to introduce myself a little.
ive been viewing the comments and topics on this website for about a month or two and have found it both interesting and enlightening.
i can almost relate to about anything to anyone on here.
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Evolution a fact? You betcha!
by Awakened at Gilead injust wrote a new blog post on the subject at freeminds, discussing why even creationists accept some evolutionary ideas without realizing it.... .
http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/a-gilead-grad-s-guide-to-leaving-jws/from-missionary-to-atheist-how-is-that-possible-part-2-all-about-evolution.html.
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nolongerwaiting
Vidiot - I remember that project as well ... I encountered it about the same time. The Nature article suggested that Neanderthals might have 48 chromosomes, compared to human's 46. I pointed my mom at this research, and she responded with the trained cult reaction: "if any evidence casts doubts upon my beliefs, then the evidence is wrong." She keyed in on the article's discussion of how they worked to avoid bacterial contamination in the DNA samples, and suggested that they didn't do a good enough job. I then asked if this was the case, why did the article indicate that Neanderthal and human DNA has 10x the differences of even the most divergent present-day humans ... to which she had no particular reply. (Bacterial contamination would no doubt produce a far more divergent result.)
Of course, today the more complete picture is that Neanderthals did have 46 chromosomes, but they were none-the-less different from modern day humans in many ways. We still call them "extinct", not "ancestors". One of the great things about science vs. religious creed is that it is acceptable to say "I don't know." Science does not have the answers for everything, and our understanding will change as the evidence becomes more refined. The evolution theory as a whole seems unlikely to be disproved at this point. It's easy to imagine what evidence that disproved evolution might look like (a fossil of a modern day mammal in the Jurrasic period for example), and such evidence has never been found. By counterpoint, try asking a theist what evidence that God did not exist would look like.
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Evolution a fact? You betcha!
by Awakened at Gilead injust wrote a new blog post on the subject at freeminds, discussing why even creationists accept some evolutionary ideas without realizing it.... .
http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/a-gilead-grad-s-guide-to-leaving-jws/from-missionary-to-atheist-how-is-that-possible-part-2-all-about-evolution.html.
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Awakened - No, you are not alone. Reading "The Blind Watchmaker" was huge step for me in escaping the JWs. Evolution makes so much sense when explained accurately and backed up by real evidence. The strawman argument presented by the Watchtower makes scientists look like fools who can simultaneously discover amazing things about biology but can't see the "obvious flaws in their pet theory."
Since then I've tried to read or watch something to increase my understanding of evolution science on a regular basis. I recently saw a quote, although I can't find it now, to the effect that evolution informs and interconnects our understanding in multiple branches of science. It's reach has extended well beyond simply genetics, biology, and paleontology. Even in modern computer science, "evolutionary" algorithms are used to solve modeling, statistics, and control problems.
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What oh what ... is the point of a blog???
by highdose insomething i've never understood.
could someone please explain this to me and finaly answer this nagging question?.
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nolongerwaiting
An online diary is the short answer. As someone who reads a number of blogs and maintains one, I can say that common reasons include:
1.) Diary of daily life - Especially common with people who have a unique job/life/hobbies (a farmer, wood worker, cooking, avid book reader) or people who have young children (sharing stories with relatives)
2.) Discussion on random subjects - Professors and enthusiasts sometimes maintain blogs related to subjects in computers, biology, math, science, literature, hobbies
3.) News - People both agregate news on a certain subject or offer commentary (Pharyngula, mentioned about, is mostly of this type)
4.) Marketing - Companies maintain blogs of new products, contests, new services, etc.
5.) Entertainment - Humerous stories, comic strips (webcomics), etc.
Blogs, especially those related to unique hobbies and interests, tend to form communities which comment on each other's blogs, offering ideas and encouragement. It's a form of social media I suppose, but more content-heavy and less frivolous than sources like facebook and twitter.
Finally, nobody has mentioned vlogs (video logs). On YouTube, you can find people who create regular videos of any of the 5 types above. These videos are usually organized in channels, and viewers can offer comments or create their own videos as direct responses. Just like extremely popular blogs can earn you money (through advertising and referrals to online purchasing), vlogs pay money through Google text ads. One source recently estimated the income of the top 10 "video bloggers" and many of them landed in the $100,000+ range.
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Strange, Offensive , Weird Statements on DFing Offenses in Elders Manual
by flipper inyou really can't make this stuff up.
but an organization like the wt society bent on controlling virtually every aspect of the typical jehovah's witness life - would make this up to keep their control through the use of fear and guilt.
so- i thought i'd share what i thought was the strangest, most offensive, weird language dealing with what the wt society calls " disfellowshipping offenses " .
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Vidiot - Interesting commentary on the meanings of fornication and adultry in ancient times. The slant toward property ownership of women and strict geneological records seems plausible. I always wondered why Hebrews just took the girl home and they were fine, but JW's have to get a government issued marriage certificate.
Regarding Mr. Flipper's original post:
#5 - I find the distinction between "casual touching" and "manipulation" rather funny. When I hear "manipulation" I think of someone operating a video game, or another task that requires dexterity and training. Doesn't this put women at greater risk of DFing? I mean, an inexperienced JW sister could probably figure out how guys work pretty quickly .. thus moving from "casual" to "manipulation" .. even with those 2 layers of denim in the way. But an inexperienced JW brother doesn't stand a chance of figuring out women with a bit of "casual touching", even without fabric in the way. Not to be offensive, but you give a guy a map and a flashlight and there's still no guarantees. :)
#10 - Ha ha, scary21 beat me to it. Baring a glandular problem, I'm pretty sure that one's weight does in fact indicate how much food they consume. I don't see this rule ever being enforced. Honestly, they'd have to DF at least 20% of their members in the U.S.
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Fox News: 'Efforts to Replace Allegiance to God with Allegieance to Government'. Oh.. also, the reason the home book study were cancelled.
by whereami indon't you just love the fear mongering.. reason for why the in home book study was cancelled on minute 1:24.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgcrw993xck.
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nolongerwaiting
Wow, that last comment was crazy enough I didn't even have to check the name on the left. What does the TSA have to do with the pledge of allegiance?
Fox has been doing their best to create the "persecuted Christian complex". Apparently, a couple billboards is an all out war. I'd hate for someone to count up all the religious billboards everywhere.
The U.S. constitution doesn't mention Jesus either, and it's pretty much the second bible for most of Fox's audience (even if they haven't read it). The guest in the video appears to be a complete idiot. He's written a whole book on this made-up war, but he has so few facts that he has to start looping them during a 3 minute interview?
Now, if there really are cities which limit religious gatherings in people's homes without a permit (and I hope that isn't true), then I think that does sound like a possible reason for the cancelation of the bookstudy. It seems we always figure out the real reason for things in retrospect. (Like the tax implications of charging for the literature.) I'll admit that low attendance and loss of sufficient manpower seem like simpler reasons.
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Creationist Theme Park: "Ark Encounter"
by leavingwt insay hello to ark encounter.. .
kentucky governor unveils plans for creationist theme park complete with full-sized ark.
.. a joint project between beshear and answers in genesis -- a christian organization that also built a similar attraction, the creation museum -- the park will reportedly cost at least $150 million and create 900 jobs, according to the news release.. beshear's spokesperson kerri richardson declined to comment beyond what was in her office's news release on the project.. the amusement park, named ark encounter, will include all the modern recreation amenities, including: a full-sized wooden ark, a "walled city much like was found in ancient times, a replica of the tower of babel with exhibits, a first-century middle eastern village" and even outdoor parking.
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I heard the JW Sunday talk outline on the flood twice in the 5 years before I woke up. The first time I thought it was a good talk. (Ah, animals once drowned in groups ... that must have been a global flood! Darn those people in Turkey for preventing us from going and taking pictures of the ark. It's amazing the illogic your brain will accept when it's conditioned to do so.) The second time I had some doubts. For example, they forgot to explain the ice cores in the arctic which hold a record of several 100,000 years of uninterrupted history. If the whole earth flooded about 4000 years ago, it seems like you'd see a pretty big disruption.
Also, how exactly did all the marsupials end up in Australia? And why don't we see the largest variety of species in the middle east with the variety reducing as you move further away? How did the American Bison swim across the Atlantic Ocean? And so forth ... The flaws in a global flood story are truly staggering when you think about it rationally.
I appreciate the discussion here about the limitations of wooden boats. I had never thought about the structural and leakage problems related to a vessel of that size.
This "Ark Encounter" Park is a testament to the power of religion in U.S. politics and the failure of our school systems to teach science and rational thinking skills.
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Holiday field circus: From both sides of the door
by WTWizard inhere is what it is like to those on the inside of the door:.
the children got up about an hour earlier than normal.
obviously, they are anxious to start opening up the presents under the tree (and most children are not going to want to sleep in on christmas morning).
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nolongerwaiting
I avoided it like the plague. Field Service was stressfull enough for me so there was no way I would do it on a holiday.
NLW's wife.
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How many of you atheists, agnostics, deists are celebrating Xmas??
by SweetBabyCheezits inwe are celebrating xmas this year for the first time.
it's kinda weird because, even though we're doing a xmas tree, decorations, gifts, we're more or less taking the christ out of christmas.
so how about the rest of you non-christian heathens?.
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nolongerwaiting
Earlier today I read a review for "The Atheist's Guide to Christmas", (a new book) so it's kind of funny that I would promptly see this thread. My wife and I were both born-in's JWs, so we are easing into holidays. Birthdays this year. Depending on how badly our fade goes, we might have lights up next year.
The point of the book seemed to be a response to the "keep Christ in Christmas" crowd. The reality is that they are the ones trying to shoe-horn him into Christmas. Most of the traditions, including the season of celebration, gathering with family, the tree, gift-giving, and the spirit of new beginnings were part of the original pagan mid-winter festivals.
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Voting Pot Legal!!!
by free2beme ini am doing my ballot and totally voting for anything that makes pot legal!!!
california is so correct and being the first to push that.
i want it legal, i want to see in on the stands as much as tabacco products.
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nolongerwaiting
Not sure about my kids, but I'd much rather my car be built by someone with a weed habit than an alcohol habit. My parents always said you didn't want a car built on a Monday, because too many of the workers had hangovers. Weed has no such next-day deleterious effects.
One recent study looked at the variations in various chemical compounds between different varieties of marijuana. THC is the most well known chemical, but depending on its ratio to other compounds, it's possible to have all the "high" feelings without all the cognitive impairment.