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  Should it be called the disfellowshipping arrangement or the shunning arrangement.

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  i here jw saying the df arrangement is loveing is the shunning arrangement also loveing?

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  elderINewton

  forgive the humor but its mid-week.

  Absolutely Required Shunning Edict (or ARSE for short). So when someone is naughty you have to be an ARSE to them.
  
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  Should it be called the disfellowshipping arrangement or the shunning arrangement.

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i here jw saying the df arrangement is loveing is the shunning arrangement also loveing?

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  elderINewton

  I wonder if its more of an edict than a practice. The Shunning Edict/ Disfellowshipping Edict.

  I only say edict as that it is defined as a command.
  
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  WTS checklist for Elders to destroy evidence?

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3t1yp7/marc_and_cora_posted_on_utube/.

  hot off the presses from exjw reddit earlier today.

  massive leak in uk.. if true, this is big (and very, very disturbing)..

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  elderINewton

  Is this UK only? I can see them trying to track me down for my notes if it expands.....

  Not that I love them to talk with my lawyer, but I'd rather avoid the $350/hr.

  How many of us former elders have kept all of our notes...
  
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  Make your predictions!

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the more specific the better :) here are mine:.

  i predict that within the next two to three years (2017-2018) we will start seeing negative numbers in growth.. i predict that within the next thirteen to fifteen years (2027-2030) the number of jws will be less than 4million.. and i predict that by the time the first person sets foot on mars there will already have been a major split in the organization with either one of the gb or a branch overseer starting a new religion..

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  elderINewton

  Some of my predictions:
  

  1) In two years - Sunday talks via broadcast from HQ. - Maybe weekly, but at least once a month.

  2) Apostasy will be crime worse than DF'ing. Will also be deemed apostasy if your not following directions.

  3) One whistleblower - just one with damning evidence. - not sure what, but it will bring more bad press, and GB will instruct everyone to not watch TV, etc.

  4) Settlement after settlement. - Got to pay for the past sins of letting the pedo's rule the roost. - We will see further consolidation in western lands to pay for this.

  5) Decline only in "civilized" world. - I.E. Western Europe, USA, etc. - Simply caused by older ones dying.

  6) WT alive and kicking and keeping on asking for donations.

  7) A WT printing press or two on Kijjiji or Ebay. (for sale)

  8) Magazines further reduced to one a month.

  Overall, my biggest wonder is when they will ask the rank and file to swear an oath of allegiance to the GB. - I could see that happen.
  
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  Judge questions whether confession privilege should extend to Jehovah's Witnesses

  by GodZoo in

  1. social
  2. current

  a us judge is considering whether it is constitutional to have a law that protects the clergy of just one religious denomination from disclosing what is said to them in confession.

  (including what's said in judicial confessions by peodophiles.

  )http://www.christiantoday.com/article/judge.questions.whether.confession.privilege.should.extend.to.jehovahs.witnesses/70169.htm

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  elderINewton

  With a good state lawyer the JW's should easily loose this case.

  1) At baptism they publicly declare all whom are baptized as ordained ministers.

  2) At baptism they offer no written proof that one has been received as an ordained minister. (WT policy in court is that these people are mere parishioners, and has sufficient case law to back that testimony up).
  

  3) When an elder is appointed they offer the elder no proof other than an elder book that the individual is now legally seen as an ordained minister.

  4) When an elder wishes to marry someone and needs proof that he is a minister for the state/province, etc. That person is to make a written request, and that request doesn't have to be fulfilled.

  5) Ignorance or lack of knowledge that the elder needs such proof is not a defense for the court.

  The WT - has also further shown that in some correspondence that they will/could be personally held accountable. If an individual was provided with such written proof, then they would not have needed such information as the WT would be held accountable first.

  If the WT wins today, I'd say the state was incompetent.
  
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  Reason of financial problems WTS

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a non-witness insider told me this week that the wts has financial problems.

  that lead to halting down their building plans and lay off the special pioneers and.

  bethelites.. the reason of the financial stagnation is beside some bad investments,.

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  http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=847

  Top page of each tax return.
  
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  Reason of financial problems WTS

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a non-witness insider told me this week that the wts has financial problems.

  that lead to halting down their building plans and lay off the special pioneers and.

  bethelites.. the reason of the financial stagnation is beside some bad investments,.

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  elderINewton

  In some ways, this would back up what those tax returns that were "released" a few days ago. (Top Left hand corner of page)

  They indicate the Book value of the assets at the end of year. (So this means the price they paid for assets less depreciation, and does NOT include financial gains or losses.).

  2009 it shows $965,800,000 in assets for FEIN 11-1857820

  2012 shows $1,119,118,000 - pretty big increase

  2013 shows $1,154,503,000 - small increase

  2014 - $1,020,441,000 - nothing like having your assets decrease 10% in a year.

  In 2014 - I personally would have expected a huge increase as they forgave loans, but essentially took over ownership of cash of many congregations, and then also spent it on Warwick so the assets should have gone up even more. Something is surely depleting the funds, and it not building.
  
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  Does a brother have to be appointed an MS to be an account servant?

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as many of you know, my ex-husband was removed as an elder for child abuse.

  i was told at the time he would never be reappointed in any capacity.

  yet i heard today he was appointed as an account servant.

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  elderINewton

  Short answer is it is to be an exemplary brother that is either appointed or being tested as to fitness of being appointed.

  I've never seen a non-appointed brother in the 50+ halls I've been in that handles accounts. Cash is king, and its trust. I personally handled the accounts as an assistant before being appointed, then was put in charge for about two weeks before I was appointed a MS.

  I don't get how you could even use a pedo to do anything trustworthy.
  
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  It's official - JWs have least common sense of any religious group in US

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some fascinating results in the latest pew research.

  (how did i miss this before?

  ) including that jws rely on their religion the most of any group to tell right from wrong and rely on common sense the least.

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  elderINewton

  great find, thanks for sharing.

  The demographic stats really highlights why the organization is both needing money, and is getting older.

  This is really an old woman's club religion now.

  Income growth is really shrinking as well. Large immigrant shift as well. Wow
  
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  Converts

  by Alive! in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've noticed there seems to be a higher percentage of born-ins here....who are the converted jws?.

  does anyone care to share how they got converted?.

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  elderINewton

  I was a convert.

  She found me finishing university, and well Girls can make you do anything. She still can.

  I still finished university, but non-science degrees.

  I'm going to sound like Steve H, but I had just broken up with a long-time G.F. and sure enough this pretty blonde enters my world, but I have to convert to date. Rest is history.