Posts by Billen76

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my story, would like some advice

by deservingone26 in

im looking for some advice.. so i grew up as a witness was baptized when i was seventeen, which by the way i was pushed into baptizm cuse my parents kept asking me when i was and threatned to not buy me a car if i didnt get baptized.

since it was never in my heart i was never very dedicated and was disfellowshipped by nineteen i started the process of coming back but after bout four months i moved out.

i started partying alot mainly with my other disfellowshipped friends and nonactive jw frien, we were drinking alot and smoking weed but soon i started feeling the need to go back so i started up at the meetings but i got bored and went back to my old ways, this has been what i have been doing for the last five years, partying getting drunk and drugs and then stopping and going back to the meetings for a couple months, the same process for last the last almost five years.

Billen76

Were you a minor when you was baptized?

The congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses can provide an temporarily sense of safety and stability, especially if one tends to live a turbulent life "outside" the JW congregation. The backdraw is as allways boredom, so you go back to have some turbulent life for a while aso. Right?

It looks a little like manio-depression (not that you are), where on swings between two extremes. What doctors usually do in such cases are to calm the manic period and give anti-depressives in the depressed period. Often, if the patient can be stabilized, the manio-depressive periods will flatten out and the patients life become more balanced.

JW's also induce a high sense of guilt in their members, which creates an anxiety that is calmed only if you stay on the beated path. When leaving the path that anxiety are felt from deep within and we normally seek to calm that anxiety, perhaps with parties, alcohol and drugs. Another way to calm the anxiety is to go back to the congregation, so one does "the right thing" and thus does not feel anxious.

What you (we) need to remember is, that we just as we are supposed to be. Let noone tell you any different. You are a good person. Get over the guilttrips, better yet forget about the guilt. For what is it of use? Focus on responsebility, for your own life as well as the projects you involve you in with interest.

The JW's are fundamentalists who tries to keep their grip on you with guilt, fear and family/friendship bonds. The Watchtower expects you to let the JW's become your whole identity, surpressing own thoughts and feelings to live by their guidance. To keep their grip on you, to keep you working for them and supporting them. They do not deserve your support, they do not deserve your efforts, they do not deserve you.

May I recommend you to seek an education? (if you are not at it allready)

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Worlds Apart (Movie) now on Youtube

by Billen76 in

sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are jehova's witnesses.

the family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity.

one night at a party sara meets teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her.

Billen76

Actually Worlds Apart played at the 2008 Berlin International Film Festival and was submitted by Denmark for the 2009 Academy Award for Best Foreign Film.

I Denmark this movie have become a hit for education in High School Psychology classes. The interest is broader than one might have thought.

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Worlds Apart (Movie) now on Youtube

by Billen76 in

sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are jehova's witnesses.

the family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity.

one night at a party sara meets teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her.

Billen76

Well, if so then the link probably won't be up for long.

This movie have been distributed through various "illegal" links allready, so....

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Worlds Apart (Movie) now on Youtube

by Billen76 in

sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are jehova's witnesses.

the family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity.

one night at a party sara meets teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her.

Billen76

Sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are Jehova's Witnesses. The family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity. One night at a party Sara meets Teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her. Teis is not a Witness, and their relationship is rejected by her father, but Sara falls in love and begins to doubt her faith. Facing ostracism from her faith and family, Sara must make the toughest choice of her young life.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=11F05529975E1049

I can tell, that this movies description of the life of Jehovahs Witnesses lies very very close to the experiences I have had while being a JW in Denmark.

Billen76

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Does WikiLeaks have any Scoop on the WTBTS to be released?

by cameo-d in

since wl deals with documented facts, not merely rumors and speculations.....what would you most like to see documented and revealed about the watchtower, the gb members, or the wt true agenda?.

if you could ask wl to dig up information about any curiosity you have concerning this cult....what would you have them investigate?.

do you think there is any information that will be released concerning religions and cults?.

Billen76

I'd like to see a comparitive psykological analysis between people living in the JW Org., and people living in mariage with an abusive psychopath.

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JW's - an international organization?

by Listener in

i always thought the jws were an internation organization but it appears they don't consider themselves to be that.. this was in a letter found on google was written by wt loyd vice president of the wtbs australia, it was a submission to be treated as a charity.. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qahsgte4vysj:www.cdi.gov.au/submissions/357-watchtowerbibleandtractsocietyofaustralia.doc+watchtower+bible+and+tract+society+of+australia+financial+report&hl=en&gl=au&pid=bl&srcid=adgeeshqa1b_fsujltkvmgfjcx1_ba5vup35fhuri35cmc4ndprw6ny-rofdcp8lbyzwio5ou--0bwurdjivxt_5m8fnmy9vdr0qeue-e2pxt2k6jpvzcy2ja4d7njakxcaqlujyxjkf&sig=ahietbrtufqf8i7kxtys0qlvyejniqq5ww.

issues regarding definitions used in australia compared to other countries.

the society is not an international organization having branches in other countries.. however, jehovahs witnesses are worldwide, and a different not-for-profit organization.

Billen76

The Jehovahs Witnesses call themselves an international organisation, but the Watchtower society don't. It is as it is written in the letter. Every Branch Office is every country is a "isolated" society, that have registered themselves in a way, that gives maximum tax deduction. It is all about the money here.

Reality is, that the Society IS an international organisation with leadership appointed from Headquarters in USA, and that every Jehovahs Witness' have "signed a contract" with the Society when they got baptized.

I do not know wether an inquiry on the true connection between Jehovahs Witnesses, the Society, the various branches and congregations would legally prove the WTS are committing fraud, when they through tecnicallities hide the de facto intenational connection. All I can say is, that for the purpose of not paying tax, the Society are willing to change designation and identity, while telling governments one thing, and their own members another.

It's a game of defining realities here.

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How many reasons can you think of for a worldly not to join the Watchtower?

by dgp in

not that i'm joining .

Billen76

garyneal wrote: It is really all about image with them.

It is mix of fear of reproach and and awareness of the rules they are "bound" to follow. The rules are based on the WTS wanting to claim "true christianity", which they wish to show to the world. And when it comes to the kids, they consider them a "mirror" of the spirit in the family, which the father have responsebility for. Therefore the result is that the kids in JW often recieve a harsh treatment at home, and paniclike defensive behaviour from the parents when JW's outside the family might get to accuse them.

Usually I go by the thumbrule: The more paniclike the JW is in defending the rules, the more that JW morally object to the rules inside her/himself.

It is those that explain the WTS rules with "calm" and "logic" I usually have a problem with. The others are just....confused.

But no matter which one one have been, the ability to relate to the aspects of life, like authorities, family, faith, social behaviour aso., somewhat breaks while staying in the JW-enviroment. And again a thumbrule: The longer one have stayed, the more one have involved oneself, the heavier the damage.

I envy those who had the courage to leave while they were still teenagers.

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How many reasons can you think of for a worldly not to join the Watchtower?

by dgp in

not that i'm joining .

Billen76

I remember an friend I had when I was teenager. He had been made to break up with his 16 year old girlfriend by his elder-father (or his father would be loose his priveleges as elder). I talked with the teenageson afterwards. He explained to me, that he did not feel what he did was "wrong", but he knew he should view having a girlfriend when he was 16 as wrong. Thus, he concluded, he had to be a really bad person for not feeling he have done something wrong!

This sort of control, this state of mind, is what one goes into when joining JW.

One may "shine" at first but after a while the rules in JW will eventually bring you into conflict with what you really believe, think, feel and act vs. what you are told to believe, think, feel and act. A lot of JW's and former JW's suffer depresions due to the state of confusion they have within themselves, which I conclude is rooted in the above mentioned conflict.

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The feeling one gets after being DF'd.

by african GB Member in

when i got df'd a few years ago, i had this feeling of freedom and independence that i never felt before then.

having been born a jw i always felt i had to please jehovah in everything i did.. in the midst of all that however, i had this gulity feeling that haunted me and kept following me.

i just could'nt completely forget about jehovah.

Billen76

The chains may be leasened which gives that freedom sensation, but the bond inside one self may still exist.

The strongest bond is the unwillingness to acknowledge the WTS is a fraud, a cult, that swallows peoples lifes. People see this and frowns. Perhaps they sometimes go a bit too far on a personal level, but it is its essence a reaktion to what the JW's represent. We can make that distinction between the persons trapped in the cult and the cult itself. The cult must be exposed for what it is and the people in it liberated from its oppressive control.

Remember, the WTS works on your mind to get you to NOT criticise the JW system. There are laid in several layers of images of fear that "activates" whenever you go too near the "hot" subject, the fraud of the WTS.

To others who realized the fraud: Get out of the cult! As long as you stay, you support that others get trapped, wether they are raised as JW's or enters from the "outside".

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Suicidal

by Billen76 in

i found the solution!

my little brothers eyes were gleaming at me and he was obviously very proud.. ruben always wanted to impress me and gain my recognition.. .

our father had given us each a toy rubber kangaroo.

Billen76

”I found the solution!” My little brother’s eyes were gleaming at me and he was obviously very proud.

Ruben always wanted to impress me and gain my recognition.

Our father had given us each a toy rubber kangaroo. I myself, believed I had become just a bit too old to play with rubber kangaroos, but our father believed that we had to be treated equal; if he gave one of us something, the other should receive the same. Besides, if he did not abide by that rule, it usually meant trouble!

Nonetheless, these kangaroos really fascinated me. Not that I wanted to play with them, of course, but these two kangaroos was exactly alike. Not one single difference. Not one single tiny flaw that would tell them apart. Ruben and I closely examined the rubber kangaroos and discussed how we were to tell which was mine and which was his.

“I have broken off the tail of yours and now we can always tell the difference”, he said, while handing me a tailless rubber kangaroo.

I was baffled. He could not be serious.

After a few minutes we headed downstairs to meet with the “chief judge” and I filed my complaint. He listened us both out and ruled that the tailless rubber kangaroo was to be given my baby brother and I was to have the rubber kangaroo with tail.

My little brother looked confused at first but then started to cry. “No no, this is David’s kangaroo. I do not want this one” he cried, while holding the tailless rubber kangaroo towards me, expecting me to switch them back. I did not comply with his request. Justice had been served.

And so we grew up and became adults.

But he could not bear to keep apologizing, he wrote.

God, I miss him.