Posts by Billen76

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Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so

by Lazarus in

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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.

Billen76

81

Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so

by Lazarus in

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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.

Billen76

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Why I didnt left JW an dont plan to do so

by Lazarus in

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in another thread i wrote: i didn't left the jw's and don't plan to do so.

Billen76

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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?

by sinis in

as of late i have been thinking about this.

my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.

i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.

Billen76

@VM44

I know it depends, but sinis would not ask this, if he/she did not feel a need for it. No matter if it is sinis' surroundings that wonder or it is an inner need to break ties finally, as soon as one starts asking oneself that question, I think one should do it.

Also, when talking about the baptism vows taken when a minor, I firmly believe such vows should not be taken by minors. The JW baptism is nothing more than an ritual membership, which minors should not be able to make valid vows (public witnessed = signed contract). There should be a protest against this practice.

Curiously I did not get DF'd with my letter. I did not state I wished out, but that I did not consider my vows taken as a minor valid (and I therefore was not a member of JW). I requested they'd respect my viewpoint and annulled the baptism on my request and according to my wishes.

I do not know if they have made attempts to contact me since, but I do not care if they try to nor if I get/have gotten DF'd. They got no hold on me.

With that said, be aware about them making rumors. They can be quite nasty.

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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?

by sinis in

as of late i have been thinking about this.

my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.

i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.

Billen76

VM44 wrote: "Why do that?"

I did it, because wanted to file my personal protest against the baptism and bondage of minors and because I wished to put an end to the concerns about if I was a JW or not. I also wished to make it clear to my family, that they should make themselves any hope for me getting back into JW and if relationsship was broken (it allready was after I stopped attending meetings) it was because they chose the Org. over me. I would not live with, getting a good relationship with my family again, only to live in fear of loosing it again, if I did not behave according to WTS rules. Now they will have to decide if they will have a relationship with me in spite of me publicly denouncing my membership in JW.

VM44 wrote: "Right now they very likely don't know anything about you, don't know where you are, and have no paperwork on you."

Untrue (probably). They keep the records in the last congregation one were active in, if they follow the instructions. They are even to visit one once every year to try and convince you to go back.

VM44 wrote: "The Watchtower really doesn't care about the individual person, especially when the person wants to leave them."

That depends wether you are regarded as "dangerous". Meaning, that if you are known to converse with "apostates" and witnesses at the same time, elders are instructed to take action to ensue the "spiritual safety" of the congregation. Meaning, they will seek an excuse to DF you and warn the congregation against you. This also may happen, if one witnesses "conscience" is "disturbed" after watching you doing something you by WTS rules are ot supposed to do (ex. smoking). If you associate with witnesses (family or friends) they may take action to "protect" the congregation against your "bad influence". Also, if you have criticism, you need to be incognito, else....

I'd rather liberate myself from that concern and write them off all together. I don't care if they have any paperwork on me now. I'm not going to get myself involved with them again anyway.

A question, VM44: Who is the Org.? Which people make out the Org.?

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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?

by sinis in

as of late i have been thinking about this.

my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.

i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.

Billen76

btw.

I send a letter to revoke my baptism, arguing I was legally a minor and could not make the binding vow's of the ritual membership, JW's baptism really are. The only response I have gotten is a letter from Bethel (in Denmark) where they wrote (my translation):

Dear XXX

We have recieved your letter of [date] where you ask us for annulment of your baptism.

The baptism is a deeply personal step the individual takes in relationsship to God. We therefore have no authority or possibility to annul that step.

In regard to your relationship to the assembly of Jehovahs Witnesses it has allready been terminated. We can confirm that you are not considered as one of Jehovahs Witnesses.

With Regards

Jorgen Larsen

Jehovahs Witnesses

(I asked my father, who is tied to my last congregation I went to, and he told me I had never been DF'd)

The Danish Branch Office

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Should I contact the Society and tell them I want out?

by sinis in

as of late i have been thinking about this.

my sig other and i have successfully faded, and the last kh i attended (cards were moved to) was like 8+ years ago.

i really do not care either way, however i have been asking myself as of late if i should.

Billen76

I definitely think you should do it.

It is not worth trying to maintain ties to family, that are willing to cut the ties to you at a wimp, because of God or what the Org. tells them to. If they can cut family off because of that, they are not human. Don't try to play it by their rules or you get sucked into that destructive world again. (The psycopath can do anything. It is the conscious people that are troubled and whose feelings that can be played) By setting a mark, you may be forcing your familymember to take up the inner conflict, whose mind may be doused by a sense of "everything is allright". (I ended up leaving, as I realized it was ME who were responsible for the cut family ties and putting pressure on them to return)

While in forums such as these, where we can discuss experiences and tell our stories, I would not recommend keeping ties to the JW-world after leaving. Tell your story, discuss the subjects you need to discuss, examine what you need to examine and share your results. The drama the JW-world are good for delivering in constant streems, may be a source for entertainment and excitement, but in "real life" I find it is better to keep a distance to the JW-world.

Make the cut final yourself, and those confused familymembers/friends that still feel tied to the Org. may then choose to ignore the Org's "advice" and see you anyway...or perhaps they don't. Set the terms of your relationsships to be on the personal level, without shadows cast by the fear of the interference from the pimp of an Org.

Allow yourself to be liberated from the Org.

Again. The psycopath can do anything. It is the conscious people that are troubled and whose feelings and sense of righteousness, that can be played upon. Cut the ties to the psychopath and liberate yourself of the manipulation.

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DA Letter Script - Minimum Requirements?

by alias in

if i am to write and send the minimal of a da letter, stating that i do not consider myself a jw (baptized as a minor), what do i need to include in the letter to make it valid?

1. who should the letter be addressed to?

(do i need to send duplicates: one to local cong, one to headquarters?).

Billen76

Actually ones commitment to the Society has no legal worth. You can just leave and don't look back. You are free allready, your letter is just a statement they can accept or not. So think it through: Do you wish to consider your baptism invalid OR do you wish to apply for Disassociate yourself from the Society?

If the latter just state: I, [name], no longer wish have association with the congregations of Jehovahs Witnesses. (or something else, it all works)

If the former, I could forward a translation of the letter I am working on, that appeals to the Society to respect my view that my baptism as a minor is invalid and thus should be annulled.

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my story, would like some advice

by deservingone26 in

im looking for some advice.. so i grew up as a witness was baptized when i was seventeen, which by the way i was pushed into baptizm cuse my parents kept asking me when i was and threatned to not buy me a car if i didnt get baptized.

since it was never in my heart i was never very dedicated and was disfellowshipped by nineteen i started the process of coming back but after bout four months i moved out.

i started partying alot mainly with my other disfellowshipped friends and nonactive jw frien, we were drinking alot and smoking weed but soon i started feeling the need to go back so i started up at the meetings but i got bored and went back to my old ways, this has been what i have been doing for the last five years, partying getting drunk and drugs and then stopping and going back to the meetings for a couple months, the same process for last the last almost five years.

Billen76

Were you a minor when you was baptized?

The congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses can provide an temporarily sense of safety and stability, especially if one tends to live a turbulent life "outside" the JW congregation. The backdraw is as allways boredom, so you go back to have some turbulent life for a while aso. Right?

It looks a little like manio-depression (not that you are), where on swings between two extremes. What doctors usually do in such cases are to calm the manic period and give anti-depressives in the depressed period. Often, if the patient can be stabilized, the manio-depressive periods will flatten out and the patients life become more balanced.

JW's also induce a high sense of guilt in their members, which creates an anxiety that is calmed only if you stay on the beated path. When leaving the path that anxiety are felt from deep within and we normally seek to calm that anxiety, perhaps with parties, alcohol and drugs. Another way to calm the anxiety is to go back to the congregation, so one does "the right thing" and thus does not feel anxious.

What you (we) need to remember is, that we just as we are supposed to be. Let noone tell you any different. You are a good person. Get over the guilttrips, better yet forget about the guilt. For what is it of use? Focus on responsebility, for your own life as well as the projects you involve you in with interest.

The JW's are fundamentalists who tries to keep their grip on you with guilt, fear and family/friendship bonds. The Watchtower expects you to let the JW's become your whole identity, surpressing own thoughts and feelings to live by their guidance. To keep their grip on you, to keep you working for them and supporting them. They do not deserve your support, they do not deserve your efforts, they do not deserve you.

May I recommend you to seek an education? (if you are not at it allready)

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Worlds Apart (Movie) now on Youtube

by Billen76 in

sara is a teenager who lives with her family, who are jehova's witnesses.

the family's devout image is questioned when the parents divorce as a consequence of the father's infidelity.

one night at a party sara meets teis, an older boy who takes an interest in her.

Billen76

Actually Worlds Apart played at the 2008 Berlin International Film Festival and was submitted by Denmark for the 2009 Academy Award for Best Foreign Film.

I Denmark this movie have become a hit for education in High School Psychology classes. The interest is broader than one might have thought.