Posts by Giordano

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New member

by saorean in

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this is the first of many posts from me.

i'm pimo, an overseer, somewhere in africa.

i'll hold of giving further details until i've executed my plan to leave the organization.

It sounds like your on the way out. In the mean time do not continue to mislead those believers who think they have the truth. Try not to judge those who simply want to leave and live an honest and kind life.

According to the Pew religious survey 67% of JW born-ins leave the religion. Most just by fading away. The door to door service is being replaced by trolleys. The appeal of being a JW is no longer functioning in first world countries...... the Society is going the way of other shaky religions.

On a world wide basis about 80,000 are Disfellowshiped and/or Disassociated every year. The fact that both groups are shunned equally is a tragic consequence for a flawed policy. To shun a person, have families broken is a form of torture.

It is a clear miss representation of the JW policy that the JW's have the right to religious freedom and the right to shun a person who simply wants freedom from their religion.

In today's internet world people are learning that JW doctrines, history and claims are false. What the WT rallied about in their history has become them. Ignorance, lies and cruelty is now their description. Growth is still possible only if there is no way to learn what the Society is really about.

It's sins are mounting. A huge pedophile problem because of their two witness rule which protects pedophiles first and foremost making the JW world a pedophile's paradise and a parents nightmare.

In reality it is not a religion it is a semi social group based on some common teachings that allow a JW to think they are special and will live in a paradise earth.

There is no mention in the bible of a paradise earth just like the old WT claimed 'millions living today will not (changed to May not) die'. Guess what?

People who have access to the internet can research the WTBTS within seconds and see what the reality is. In third world countries not so much....... so the bigger the lie the bigger the acceptance of delusional beliefs.

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Canadians and Europeans, what do you think of your national health care ?

by RubaDub in

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we have been in a battle over health care for so long here in the us regarding public, private, gov't subsidized, obama care, medicare for all, and just about every permutation of the above.. we hear the horror stories here that people wait 20 years for a check-up (ok, bit of an exaggeration), but you get the point.

one side tells us that canadians flock across the border when they are sick and need to see a doctor.

the other side says that is simply not the case.. so tell us, if you live under one of the government systems would you replace it?

Giordano

Your Right DOC I think I slept in and confused two issues. What I should have said is that we pay taxes on our Social Security income because our private income exceeds a certain level.

Our Medicare is coupled with a Private Supplement plan which extends coverage in those areas where Medicare drops out. Like longer hospital stays etc.

We also have a drug plan that kicks in after we reach a certain out of pocket level.

These are backup plans that kick in if a serious illness occurs. Its worth it to us to have affordable supplements.

Private insurance companies compete in their pricing to provide a regulated standard level of coverage and some offer additional services. It is obvious those plans are profitable as every year we get a dozen offers from insurance companies.

What medicare does is to set up what it will pay for health care, surgery etc.

If the private practice takes medicare patients they have to accept the cost that medicare establishes. The good of this system is that more elderly people can get the treatment they need. Other wise if it wasn't regulated many more people would have shorter lives.

The medical community gets a ton more business.

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Canadians and Europeans, what do you think of your national health care ?

by RubaDub in

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we have been in a battle over health care for so long here in the us regarding public, private, gov't subsidized, obama care, medicare for all, and just about every permutation of the above.. we hear the horror stories here that people wait 20 years for a check-up (ok, bit of an exaggeration), but you get the point.

one side tells us that canadians flock across the border when they are sick and need to see a doctor.

the other side says that is simply not the case.. so tell us, if you live under one of the government systems would you replace it?

Giordano

Our Medicare has worked very well for my wife and I here in the USA since we received it when we turned 65..... we are now in our 70's. We paid into it for some 50 years and I still pay for it.

We pay 200 plus dollars per month for each of our medicare polices. At a certain level one's income is taxed. But that's fine because It covers everything with the exception of Dental.

At the age we are now it would be impossible to get affordable health insurance.

Medicaid is for people who are in the poverty level........... it is a big deal for children however it is not available in every state.

One final thought...... all the undocumented workers who are employed by legal companies get a pay check that has been deducted for federal and state taxes, Social Security and health care which they will never receive.

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I attended my JWs Grandfathers funeral

by joe134cd in

i attended my grandfathers jw funeral the other day.

firstly i am a rabid apostate, and certainly not wt greatest fan.

that been said however, i will certainly stick up for them when they do the right thing.

Giordano

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Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

by minimus in

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i was a jw from infancy.

we had a melting pot type of congregation.

i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

Giordano

Racist to the core.......read it for yourself:

https://www.watchtowerlies.com/racism_in_watchtower_publications.html

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PIMO Elder with a Dilemma

by xjwsrock in

i haven’t been on here in awhile and this is my second user name because i was busted by my pimi wife on the first one.

i have been basically awake since 2013. i have a super dub wife that i love and don’t want to lose and my sick mom in the hall that is a true believer.

stupid religion has gotten between my wife and i (of course).

Giordano

I was talking to my sister-in-law last night about how my wife....... a former baptized JW..... never believed in the religion. She said that was her situation too.

Apparently their supposed belief was more about family culture. And I think that is the reality of many so called believers.

When I walked away from all of the JW influence my wife walked away as well as did her sister. It was as over for them as it was for me. Cause in their case they never believed.

I think habit and family influence was/is the root cause of a lot of JW's staying in the religion. Not for everlasting life..... just for family.

What a dumb religion that wants to keep people who will never lift a finger to help their religion nor contribute a dime.

WT loves the numbers more then it's people.

Walk away people!

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Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

by minimus in

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i was a jw from infancy.

we had a melting pot type of congregation.

i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

Giordano

Long story short the WTBTS was as racist as it could be. Jews ..nope. People of color....nope.

I served in 3 New York City congregations in the late 1950's and early 60's and there was never an appointed Brother of color.

You could visit Bethel and sit at the lunch table with hundreds of white Bethelites ........ and if you really looked hard you might find a couple of people of color.

I am sure the ratio has changed but not the attitude in the Society re Bethel.

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PIMO Elder with a Dilemma

by xjwsrock in

i haven’t been on here in awhile and this is my second user name because i was busted by my pimi wife on the first one.

i have been basically awake since 2013. i have a super dub wife that i love and don’t want to lose and my sick mom in the hall that is a true believer.

stupid religion has gotten between my wife and i (of course).

Giordano

There is a lot of good advice presented here re your thoughts and questions.

Now for some tough love.

It's time for you to step away. A lot of this has to do with the ego of being an Elder. It's nonsense. An Elder does more harm then good. Been there.

It's a crap religion that has never made any sense....it's message was and still is 'many living now........ may never die". Nonsense...... even Jesus died. We all die....live with it. Go figure how that message took hold....it's just about wanting. People dying from the flu......... World War One....bad medicine. Death walked with us every day. The WT crafted their message. They offered hope...... except they could never deliver. Your in a religion that has failed. And as an Elder you continue to fail........ big time..... You have been painted into a corner. Believe or leave! It is a waste of your time....you can do better.

It's time to walk away. Spend those twenty to thirty hours each week doing something for yourself, your family and community. Yes..... you live in a community....... how about thinking about those folks?

You've let the pedophiles loose and didn't say a word. Google the JW Pedophile problem.

You have exposed your neighborhood to JW pedophiles because of the two witness rule.They can go door to door with a keen eye for families with children.

You have compounded that problem by not standing up to the laws that bind your community. Pedophiles are not sinners they are criminals!!

At this point in your life you've been a religious shyster as I and everyone on this forum was........we may have been True Believers..... at least for a time. But by doing so we distanced ourselves from our family and communities etc.

Remember your community extends well past your pathetic KH and your life long friends....... the JW's who are tribal will shun you on a dime.

It's time to fade away and stop sucking at the tit of the Society. There is no nourishment in the Kingdom Hall......... its just a dry well. No good can come from it.

It's time for you to live and learn!

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What happens to Bethelites?

by rickroll in

so if someone puts their life into serving the cult for free at bethel, then say after 25 or 30 years they are not able to for one reason or another such as illness, or family issue or old age, does the cult have any safety net for these people or is it you serve until you can't and when you can't you just go away?

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Giordano

What happens to Bethelites? In general nothing good.....unless they have some really good contacts out in the world. The problem with Bethel is it doesn't teach you how to think for yourself. So it's going to be an uphill battle to gain a place in the real world.

When Raymond Franz exposed the mystery of the Governing Body....that they were ignorant people and self serving a lot of soon to leave JW's took note.

The interesting thing about Raymond was when he left Bethel he rejected the paying position offered to him as a special pioneer.

Of course his 40 years as a loyal and effective worker at the Branch level and as a GB member was tossed out when he was seen having lunch with the EX JW brother who employed him and who housed him and his wife. Ray was DA and shunned.

R. Franz found out that his life long service to the WTBTS counted for nothing financially or spiritually. He reclaimed his spirituality and helped free..... probably thousands..... from the grasp of the Society.

Unfortunately Ray learned that he and his wife were not covered by Social Security or Medicare. It would take him ten years of full time work to qualify for those programs.

Russell and Rutherford's Books are out of print and nothing his uncle Freddy Franz ever dreamed up is presented as the Truth.

In poor health Ray managed to write two major books that live on in the hearts and minds of the ex JW community.

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Role Call, Number of Family Members Who Have Shunned You!

by The Bethelite in

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just one left, my sister.

i haven't talk to her in over 15 years.

the rest are all dead.. i'm not counting my ex wife and all her family.... .

Giordano

My wife and I left in the 1960's.......... back in those days and into the 1970's a person could disassociate without being shunned. You just lived your normal life. Family would be disappointed but they wouldn't (in general) slam the door in your face.

When Bethelites tried to study the bible (not the WT publications) they were subjected, as of 1980, to being thrown out of Bethel and disfellowship as was GB member Raymond Franz.

Since Jesus welcomed two or three gathering together to study his words this was an extreme position to take by the WTBTS. Sought of Satan's position if you think about it.

Matthew 18:20

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

The Society went on a witch hunt for anyone that wanted to follow Jesus' idea that two or three could gather together and read from the bible in Jesus name.

This bull shit lingers to this day.

How dumb is this?

In our case my one remaining JW niece (her uber JW mother died when she was 13) decided to shun us. She was born seven years after we left the religion.

Unfortunately I have forgotten the names of her children.

When a family member makes this kind of decision there is nothing one can do about it.

Of course we made sure to disfellowship them from our Will.