Posts by Giordano

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Giordano

The important thing to understand about God is that he was not capable of building a safe world and managing mankind. When he met a bump in the road he decided to drown everyone on the planet except those few humans on the Ark.

Instead of learning from his mistakes. God sounds like a politician... "it's not my fault and I'LL start over with a few animals and a drunk Noah and his bickering family".....after I've killed every man, women, child and the unborn."

The Sin is on this cheesy god.

Of course this is all a fantasy as there is no scientific proof of a one off flood that could drown an entire planet.

On the other side of this discussion is the 'natural' death from the beginning of most every living animal and whatever human might have been around......... by meteorite strikes, earth quacks, floods in various places, severe storms, starvation, illness etc. etc' Lets not ignore pandemic outbreaks of diseases that could and did kill millions regardless of their religious beliefs.

If we can agree on one thing it's that God was a shitty world builder. He /she/ IT went out of their way to allow life to be totally unbearable even in those few best of times.

But none of this is real...the reality is There is No God, No Jesus, No Satan, No Demons, no Angels. No phony doctrines....no religion that say's it is the True religion.

The Proof of the pudding is in the taste. (Told to me by a rather interesting Pastor at the conclusion of our very pleasant religious combat ).

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Why are things wrong?

by Tim207 in

during our family worship tonight a thought popped into my head while watching this weeks video on demon influence.

why is does jehovah not like certain things?

like why is homosexuality wrong?

Giordano

Number one there are no demons other then those invented by religious elders and crazy people. There is no Satan............. the Hebrews never believed in Satan. Evil actions yes but no demons.

In fact Jesus buddied up with the so called demon Satan......... for forty days and nights on their camping trip.....we know which one was on a trip. The J boy was offered all of the world's kingdoms. A great story but lacking in reality. As in every story in the bible old and new.

It's all a nutty fantasy. Jehovah, Jesus. the Holy ghost, Satan. It's about as real as a Mark's brother's movie.

Jehovah the all powerful loving god who couldn't even build a safe planet...totally passed up a paradise earth......... settled for a crappy Garden of Eden...... the hell with the rest of the world.

If you want to believe in demons...... when I was five years old I knew some kind of bad ass demon was under my bed or in my closet.

I never let my hand or foot lay beyond the bed.

If you want to hold on to a child's belief do so.

If your an adult it's kind of embarrassing.

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Alert: Following blindly jw.org these day / RISK

by Gorbatchov in

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this night i could not sleep and my thoughts went on and on.

the result:.

i observe that many jw family members follow the instructions of the elders at zoom meetings like they come directly from god.

Giordano

Suicide is not part of their religion....discounting the Ban on Blood of course.

The JW aversion to death is well documented hence their acceptance of a belief that they 'may never die' or if they did......... a wonderful resurrection will take place and they will be joined by family and friends.

Since no one has ever experienced an event like this it boggles the mind that otherwise reasonable people accept and cling to this notion.

Beliefs like these feed on the natural ignorance of people. And every religion feeds on this. There is no serious religion that does not offer some level of hope.

Your average JW is grossly under educated. The average JW ..... is not stupid........ but unfortunately while they may be really nice and kind people........ ignorance abounds.

They eventually become less capable to think things through for themselves.

The thinking is done when the Society speaks.

After years of obedience the average JW falls prey to the needs of the WTBTS corporation. And this is a corporation that is reckless with it's believers.

Time is demanded for meetings, field service, preparing for meetings, driving to meetings (selling a KH most often increases the distance to attend another KH).

The average JW can easily spend 20 hours a week on this nonsense.

What happens now when they are allowed to rejoin their congregation?

After a meeting or two are they going to miss the free time and pursuits and hobbies they enjoyed on their own?

I think or hope so.

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A warm welcome to the many newbies who have joined and posted these past months .

by smiddy3 in

it is truly heartwarming to see so many new ones sign up to this site as most of us know it can be quite stressful at first ,because of the indoctrination we have all gone through in going on apostate sites .. the guilt ,paranoia ,fear , apprehension ,even being a judas fear, all unnatural fears put on us by a mind controlling cult.. that wants us to be captives of there religious interpretations about the bible.. however this and other sites like it are the only way we can find out about {the truth about the truth} ttatt.. welcome everybody..

Giordano

DOC offers good information: Be sure to cover your tracks re your personal on line computers, phones etc.

More 'escapees' are turned into the Elders by misguided family members. So..... cover your tracks and shut your mouth unless you have people around you who know it's BS.

When my wife and I left the religion in the mid 1960's you just walked away. Disassociating was not a DF offense. Of course a decade of close friendships and some family members evaporated but that was all it amounted to.

Those who have left or rejected this religion............. number in the Millions.

When you read the number who attended the Memorial........... subtract the number (yearbook) of active publishers and you can see how many have refused to stay or accept the religion. The truth is that they show up once a year. These are the 'Leaver's' who attend once a year for still-in family.

My wife and I stopped attending anything but a JW close family funeral. Did I mention how hideous a JW funeral is? Don't get me started.

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Any suggestions

by Xena73 in

i just woke up and i'm new on here.

if your an unbaptized publisher can you be disfellowshipped or dissociated?

please send me a message.

Giordano

I am sorry you were molested.

Research the ARC....... the Australian Royal Commission and their findings about child sexual abuse within the JW religion.

This is not a good or honest religion. Walk away....... you can do better.

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Any suggestions

by Xena73 in

i just woke up and i'm new on here.

if your an unbaptized publisher can you be disfellowshipped or dissociated?

please send me a message.

Giordano

What you can do is absent yourself form meetings.

Eventually you will get a phone call from some Elders or emails.

Emails are easy to brush aside....... you can claim......... you do not check your emails.

Phone calls you answer should start with an appreciation acknowledgement that the brother or sister is wanting to know why you have 'dropped out' of meetings.

You can use the phrase you have 'stumbled by.....in this case the JW's pedophile problem. Until it's cleaned up you can not be involved in the religion.

Thank them and invite them to let you know when pedophiles will no longer be tolerated and not exposed to the proper authorities.

That's it your done with the JW's religion. It's their weak point and there's no censure since it's all over the news...... Google It.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Giordano

The great Flood is another example of writers who were delusional.

God throws a hissy fit and sets out to kill every man, women, and child and every animal not on the ARK.

Of course this was all made up crap that never happened. But there is an intention. Don't get on his bad side because God is nuts.

His options could have been to send his son and a bunch of angles down to earth and destroy the gross wicked and lead reasonable people to see a new light. But No he sets out to kill everyone not on the ARK.

Every one and anything breathing. Now since this simpleton god can see the future he should know that the future will revert back to another level of wickedness.

Acting like a mental defective he drowns every man, women and child. What one year old could be looked at as a wicked person.? And perhaps worse....... the unborn die as well. God has now become the greatest abortionist, of all time.

Jehovah the wannabe god who apparently can't control his appetite for slaughter.

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Coping/Living/Understanding

by justangel in

i’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.

i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .

i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.

Giordano

Welcome Friend ......Justangel.

Everyone here....... at least 90%, have become ex JW's or POMO's (Phyicically Out Mentally Out) others are PIMO's (Physicaly In but Mentally Out).

We also use short hand for The Truth About The Truth. TTATT

I'll share my journey with you for what its worth.

Baptized at 16 like every other JW teen I knew. At 18 I decided to serve as a pioneer where the need was great. It turned out to be the best decision I ever made. That's where I met my wife to be. She looked to be 17, fully grown, but she was actually 15 1/2.

Well she was my significant other and so we dated or rather 'courted'. This is the early 1960's I think we went through a box of chap sticks over the next two years until we both felt ready to marry. Kissing was just about the only intimacy that was appropriate.

She didn't have a house phone....... nor did I....... we arranged our dating through the mail.

I was pretty involved in the JW world and my congregation. Mostly I was used as a public speaker in the circuit and had three Elder level positions (we didn't have Elders in those days).

I will not go into that history since it no longer matters..when you leave you leave......for good.

All relationships were conditional that you were a believing JW.

I had three issues that were really difficult to hold on to. The ban on blood was already killing off a few of my and her family members.

Armageddon........... which was totally made up nonsense. Billions were to die so I and our fellow JW's could move into their homes (only the best homes of course).The little children would die because their parents were not interested in reading and accepting our WT books and magazines.

And that we had the only truth. Other religions cared for their members...... fed the hungry, clothed those that needed help etc. The JW's were not interested in the needs of the poor and ignorant.

I guess I knew it wasn't the truth but it took time to unwind their religious nonsense and realize they didn't have the 'Truth' and that no religion had the truth cause it was all made up. It took a couple of years to think it through today with the information provided by jwfacts.com it would take two days.

I sat with my wife and told her I had come to the conclusion that the JW religion was not the truth. I was nervous and quickly told her she could continue with the religion. There was a long pause and then she grinned and said two things to me;

"I've never believed the JW religion was for real".

And the second thing she told me: "Close your mouth!"

We stopped pioneering and left the religion with one C minus high school diploma between us. Vietnam hovering in the background. No real job skills and only a few ex JW friends.

It took us about five years to get retrained, establish our boundaries and start a new life.

In all .........leaving......... was the best decision we ever made.

When I was in my forties I needed open heart surgery, there was a problem and I was given five liters of blood. That was 35 years ago. I got to live a life worth living with the finest person I've ever known.

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Who is considered more bizarre?

by incognito2014 in

jws or mormons.

from a public point of view not from people within the religion as that would be obvious.. examples of extreme beliefs or behaviour would be useful..

Giordano

This might sum up the issue of the JW's Versus the Mormons.

Both the Mormons and the JWs are knocking on the doors on the same street Both approach one another on the sidewalk.

They stand facing one another and the two JW's declare that they don't step aside for Apostates.

"We do!" Says the Mormons and they walk around the JW's.

Seriously Of the two religions, and if that was the only choice, I vote Mormon hands down.

They live in the real world...though they have an imaginary one ...and as such they have their own quirks.

But they do encourage higher education. They have a fair number of universities and colleges. They are business oriented. Making money is a good thing! They don't refuse a life saving blood transfusion. They don't meddle in peoples health care.They officially gave up multiple marriages though some still think it's the proper thing to do. But they are very family orientated.

They only ask for two years of door to door service then it's on to the rest of their lives.

They are versed in politics and military service.

Their taste in music is up to the individual.

Where they live and how they live is left up to the individual.

The Mormons like the JW's can't seem to reconcile gay people. The Mormons didn't allow Black Folks to serve in their temple the JW's have the largest group of people of color. So that's one for the JW's.

That aside........... being a casual Mormon with a good education would be the best of both worlds.

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COVID-19 - Would It Work to Allow People to Sign Away Rights for Treatment Like JW's Do for Blood?

by RubaDub in

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people want to get back to work, back to "normal" in many cases (whatever normal now means).

even trump is encouraging protesters in 3 states.. but with the covid-19 thing, this is not just a matter of a person taking a risk, as a person may do who smokes, takes illegal drugs or in other ways lives an unhealthy lifestyle.

in general, most (not all, since cost of insurance and public hospitals may be involved), but generally you are not putting the lives of others at risk.

Giordano

No they can't sign a legal document that absolves you from putting your family, friends and co workers at risk. What the hell are you talking about?

How could you not put families and friends at risk if you sit in a bar? Bowl a few rounds with friends and buddies? Attend a church..... breath the same air as others.

Show up at an idiot protest and stand around with people telling you how you have rights.

A lack of a blood transfusion just damages you.....not your family's health.

This is an active killing virus that a person who has no idea that they are carrying that virus can spread to others.

You bring that shit home and your people are at risk and can die.

This is what we are dealing with. We are individually responsible for spreading this..... if we are reckless............

Think about driving a car.......... there are a hundred different issues to deal with .....which is why it's not left up to you to decide which rules you will obey.

Your car has to be inspected for working brakes and pollution control.

Safety Belts, Stop signs, Red lights, turning signals. Children warnings on resident streets. Places you can not take when it's one way traffic or no access roads.

We accept these laws because they represent the smart and safe way to drive.

Their is no amendment rights that allows you to infect the larger population with a viral

disease.