my wife pimi wife said today...." the tribulation has started" i was like wtf... i know things are bad.
but...... we have had other pandamics and market crashes in the past.
1889: russian flu 360,000 perished.
Back in 1960 When we were trying to get a man to the moon. JW's said it will never happen....... mankind will never go to the moon...god forbids it.
"That's one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind."
650 million people listened or saw that message. The JW's........ not so much.
It didn't fit into their belief.
The dumb shits are still at it to this day.
assembly experiences.
brother so and so gets sick goes to hospital, refuses blood, dies; leaving widow and orphans.
then the experience continues--usual meals and such, then the bastards actually took the family door to door within a few days.
In the years I came up as a JW........late 1950's to mid 1960's it was a more open religion. Plenty of parties and gatherings.
Freddy Franz was pissing out his theology in every WT mag. We thought this was all normal. He pissed and we accepted it. Back then people went to church each week just like the JW's. We didn't celebrate birthdays or Christmas but everyone had a turkey on thanksgiving.
With no internet we just accepted the JW religious bull crap. We could go on a date, dance like crazy at a party. Take long breakfasts or lunches out in service. The fellowship would often be the highlight of our week.
Guy's usually headed to Bethel instead of collage. The Missionary work was like a bright light. Early marriages prevailed as did pioneering........... the wife and I lived in the basement of our parents home as we spent needless time pioneering.
Being a JW was a really low life style. We were entirely invisible to our non JW community.
We left in our 20's and it took us until we were we were in our early 30's to actually feel like we were finally living in the real world. Decent jobs, other non JW family to associate with and new friends. Today it would take a person two weeks to realize what BS (the internet) this religion is.
Family discontent has become worse both for JW's and or those wanting to leave. Shunning has increased....... thank you Gov Body.
I still have contact with a few JW's and to be honest I don't know what they believe any more.....nor do they.
The best they can come up with is an embarrassed shrug.
here is the updated chart based on jw.org provided statistics found here: link to 2019 statistics.
anything that stands out to you ?.
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Going back to the anointed ones:
Picture Heaven as a giant building with different religions occupying separate floors.
All of the elevator's to get you to your floor has a sign that says........" please be quiet when this elevator passes the 13th floor".
Finally someone asks the question "why do we have to be quiet when we go past the 13th floor?"
The elevator conductor answers "Because that's where the Jehovah's Witnesses are ........and they refuse to believe that there is anyone else in heaven. "
hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.
a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.
so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.
You can't be forced to go to any meeting.
Your mom is using coercion, a threat that she is going to kick you out of the house.
But since your stepdad says no you should still have a roof over your head.
If an Elder wants to meet with you....... remember that your mother has probably told a few Elders about your 'apostate' beliefs. So she is one witness against you.
If even just one Elder wants to speak with you and you mention the same issues that Elder will be the second witness against you. The Elders would now have the Two Witness's they need.
You need to have one issue that you claim has seriously stumbled you. Child sexual abuse....... it is both a crime and a terrible sin. Your fierce reaction to child sexual abuse may be the result of having been 'fondled' by a family member, an uncle or a cousin.
I know that happened to me...I felt shamed and never spoke about it. I also never went into a private room with that person again when he wanted to play doctor.
If something did happen to you I'd have a talk with your stepdad ......not your mother.
If an Elder reach's out to you. Simply say that you are now praying to Jehovah and it seems to be helping. "So brother Elder, I appreciate your reaching out to me and if I can get past this pedophile issue, with Jehovah's help, it will help me clear my mind."
After that you go out job hunting LOL.......... Dude you need to get out of the house and do stuff that you can enjoy. Volunteering to help your community on some level would be a start.
to recap: pimo/fading, continually in the process of dis-engaging.. as part of an ever-blossoming departure from the ways in which i grew up and spent a lot of my adult life, i had a moment recently where i took some of my own control back..... let me explain.. one defining moment i had about 8 years ago was when i shredded my "blood card", or dpa.
i had decided that those beliefs were not the ones i supported.
it was a little scary, taking that little step, that really only i knew about.. fast forward: recently, as i grow older and need the standard tests that come with age, i had the opportunity to reclaim even more of my independence from previously-held doctrine and beliefs.
My wife and I walked away from the JW construct in the mid 1960's. There were four reasons (1) the ban on blood. (2) that totally stupid belief ...... Armageddon. (3) the dumb self serving corporation......... the WTBTS. (4) Praying to Jehovah before you had sex!
Really!!
saw this on the bbc and thought you should see it:is 25 the new cut-off point for adulthood?
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24173194.
i was baptized in my early 20s so now realize was too young mentally to understand the full impact of that decision and the long term impact on my life.. the org should stop putting pressure on young ones to get baptized..
Jesus got baptized when he was 30 (aprox) then he devoted a few years to promoting his beliefs.........just saying.
my wife and i are not religious nor do we want to be.
we are very set in our spiritual beliefs.
we have worked with a jw who's family have been like a part of our family for 6 years.
There are a fair number of 'casual' JW's. They miss meetings on occasion....... fib about the time they have spent going door to door. Giving gifts to the children like after Christmas is over..... same for birthdays.
There is a term for this type of witness they are called 'bystander witnesses'. They see what's going on but they don't want to really get involved.
Then we have PIMO's Physically participating In the religion by going to meetings but mentally out.
Is your friend an Elder in the congregation? Or a ministerial servant? Does the wife pioneer? Seventy -five hours a month in service.
Dano maybe this family are casual JWs. Who bend the rules because they can.
But even if so.........something is off.
I think most of us are concerned with exposing your kids to their religion. Planting seeds in young minds.
We have all met the different personalities of people who are sure they and only they have the truth. They can be liars, dominant, narcissistic, pedophiles...... abusive parents, prone to shunning children who want a different life.
How does your wife feel about this? Sometimes one's mate or the other may not really like or trust a so called 'close' friend.
The exposure to meetings or a bible study for your children exposes the children to a distortion in how they are viewing the world.
I think you need to reel this relation in by setting up boundaries.
my wife and i are not religious nor do we want to be.
we are very set in our spiritual beliefs.
we have worked with a jw who's family have been like a part of our family for 6 years.
Lets say they take being a 'good neighbor' seriously. However there are some things that could impact the lives of your children. Unfortunately when it comes to being a JW obedience is equal to faith. Since the faith is distorted their obedience can prove harmful.
One belief that is held by a JW is that God, Jesus, the angles will visit Armageddon on this world and cause billions of people to be destroyed. Men, women and children. The people who are going to die are people who never knew the JW's existed. Or they turned them away if they knocked on their door.
What they do with billions of dead people has never been explained.
JW's overlook this and focus on a paradise earth not the dead.
A normal person doesn't die for want of a blood transfusion. But a JW will. If they need one to save their life they must refuse. It is mandated that they carry what I call a 'suicide note' also known as the NO BLOOD card with them. It is a statement of fact that they refuse a blood transfusion no matter what.
If your away and they are watching your children and they are in a car wreck or a child is hit by a car or falls off their bike can you be reassured these neighbors will allow for a life saving blood transfusion? Be assured they will not consent and if time is of the essence and you can not be reached............
The JW's have evolved a belief that confuses eating blood with a transfusion. A transfusion is not eating. It's a transplant. Unfortunately this practice of denying a transfusion has caused the deaths of thousands of JW's each and every year. It's Jonestown every year since 1945.
My wife and I lost my sister and my wife's mother because they would not allow a transfusion and there was no way to save them at the Hospital.
You have learned that the JW's have a pedophile problem. That problem is amplified because they maintain that the 'Two witness rule' needs to be used. It's pretty rare that a pedophile will molest a child in front of another adult. However the child sexual abuse can go on for years. The Elders try to did keep this situation private.
During the recent 2015 ARC ( Australian Royal Commission) an investigation of child sexual abuse in religions was commissioned. They started with the Catholic Church and then moved on to the JW's.
They found, under sworn oath, that there were records of 1006 JW cases of CSA and 1800 total victims and not a single case was reported to the police.
On this forum questions can and should be asked.
Dano you got some thinking to do.
they'll write pages and pages of stuff and yet they don't have any idea.. here's a paragraph from their latest speculations on future events, bolding is mine.. a prophecy recorded by ezekiel gives some insight into what may happen during the last days of the king of the north and the king of the south.
if we view the prophecies of ezekiel 38:10-23; daniel 2:43-45; 11:44–12:1; and revelation 16:13-16, 21 as speaking about the same time period and events, it appears that we can expect the following developments.. that's an awful lot of assumptions to make.
what they've done is picked out various scriptures from different parts of the bible and now state that they may or may not be talking about the same events.
The WTBTS does have one major accomplishment........ the art of painting their beliefs into a corner.......... then having to sit there waiting for the paint to dry.
Sorry WTBTS your foot prints spoil the finish every time.
hello all, i'm 'researching', a jw who is in the first steps of taking a look at their beliefs.. i've semi-recently (about a couple weeks ago) heard about the sexual abuse cases (pennsylvania attorney general’s investigation request) and then the arc in 2015. this lead to a deep investigation, which lead to many questions arising.
a jw friend of mine suggested i be careful (due to apostates) and ask the brothers.
so i typed up my questions + concerns and emailed an elder my mother has known for a long time.
Establish a base reason for your concerns and questions and by the way stop asking questions .....JW's don't like questions. What they like is obedience over faith.
Your best protection is the ARC's findings into the JW religion and the WTBTS confrontational mindset.
Essentially the Society was a publishing and real estate holding corp. Decades later it established itself as a religion in 1931 or there about. The only thing that changed was the tax break they have enjoyed to this day.
The ARC has revealed that the Australian JW Branch had information on some 1006 cases of child sexual abuse dating from 1950 until this day. Of those cases there were over 1800 plus victims of sexual abuse......... a pedophile doesn't stop with one victim. ......... AND........... not a single case was reported to the police!
Jesus actually was very specific about children. He said "do not hinder the children from coming to me."
I would think child sexual abuse was a crime first and a sin secondly. The JW's land firmly on it being a sin that can be handled by their idiot Elders....... in house.
If you get 'blow back' from your congregation, the Elders, the Circuit overseer...... simply stake out a position that you have been stumbled by the child sexual abuse the ARC showed that was actually happening in the congregations.
If you are threatened just remind them that you know for a fact that the JW congregations have protected child abusers and you are prepared to write a letter to your local newspaper revealing the ARC information.
